Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Ra

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The result was speedy delete. WP:CSD#G7 deletion requested by author. JohnCD (talk) 10:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Ra

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As far as I can tell, this is masked self-promotion from an ultimately non-notable person. Please note that basically all of the references are links to either YouTube, DeviantArt, blogs, discussion boards, or Daniel's own company SlashTHREE (none of which qualify as WP:RS). The list of awards he's received seems like resume padding to me, but then again I'm not sure so that's why it's at a full AfD. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is a minimum of at least three publications on internationally accredited magazines. Also posts which refer back to Deviant Art and or Behance, feature competitions and or notifications listed by staff and or those sponsored by well accredited corporations such as ADOBE and NVIDIA (meaning they do qualify as WP:RS). Behance and DA harbor well over 300,000 members and have been around for a decade. They are multi-million dollar companies as of today. The international design collective known as SlashTHREE also garners over a million hits per exhibit, and features some of the top designers from across the globe. They have been known for collaborations with such huge facets like ENVATO. They will be representing in the OFFF (biggest international design event)conference in July. Also those "not so credible" discussion boards, one of which sold last year for $40,000 (planet renders), and again they are postings created by staff. These discussion boards, have rather high Alexa scores as well. Another thing, SlashTHREE is not a company, and is not owned by Daniel. Also a Google search of Daniel Ra, is misleading seeing as there is another person besides the Daniel Ra mentioned within this article that shares that name. This article has been up for several months now, and has undergone multiple revisions and criticisms, has even been tagged for review and has passed. This article fulfills requirements since it shows that Daniel has won a national award per requirements (in fact he has won 2 notable awards and has been publicized on more than one accredited magazine.) Also there are actually 15 sources, but the implementation was incorrect, and it somehow duplicated the sources. 15 sources, 6-7 of which are credible, more than enough to meet the requirements. There are some minor flaws that can be edited and cleaned up, but overall this article meets the requirements, and demonstrates credibility, well written as well. Also, "resume padding"? The boy is a Biology major, most of the things listed in his article has no place in a medical/science resume. If there are further complications pertaining to this article, please tag for review. I don't think this discussion need go further.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abablitz (talk • contribs) 07:49, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Daniel, but this discussion does need to go further. Hence, an AfD nomination. If it passes, then so be it. If not, then it will get taken off. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Sorry, Abablitz, but there's too much chaff there. First off, the article's been up for six weeks, not for "several months" ... but were it up for the entire history of Wikipedia, it still would not thereby get a free pass from meeting the requirements of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Secondly, I strongly recommend you review the links given at WP:PILLAR, which will get you a better understanding of those policies and guidelines. For one thing, the pertinent guidelines - WP:GNG and WP:BIO - don't simply require that reliable sources mention the subject; they require that the subject be discussed in "significant detail." Even presuming that Advanced Photoshop and Our USA magazines qualify as reliable sources - which I don't, and I'm typing this next to the periodical room at the Boston Public Library - do those publications discuss Mr. Ra in "significant detail?" Or did they simply post his work?
For another thing, so he's won in-house awards from a couple of software companies. So what? What makes them significant and notable awards? Do you have any reliable sources saying so?
For a third, I've been a member of devART myself for several years. It's certainly a popular and successful website - with, no doubt, a high Alexa ranking - and many well-known artists patronize it. Belonging no more makes Ra notable than it makes me notable. Ravenswing 20:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep:~~ "Presuming that Advanced Photoshop and Our USA magazines qualify as reliable sources - which I don't" First of all, Why wouldn't they be reliable? What makes them different from TIME and Newsweek? Popularity? As I recall, the biography is strongly centered around graphic design, and AP and such magazines such as Computer Arts, do have merit. "Significant detail"? How significant? He was featured once in a half page section for "Featured Portfolio". He was then again published in a full page article listing his biography and selection of three pieces. He was then again asked to create a full two page tutorial on one of his pieces.

Well, they neither of them have Wikipedia articles and they're neither of them found in the collection of the library with the largest public collection (aside from the Library of Congress) in the hemisphere. Among other things, that's what makes them different from Time and Newsweek ... or even from Popular Photography or American Photo. Would you mind telling us where we could find copies of these publications? Ravenswing 23:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"For another thing, so he's won in-house awards from a couple of software companies. So what? What makes them significant and notable awards?" They were not in-house awards. Secondly, I'm not sure, maybe because those awards were sponsored by multi-billion dollar companies such as ADOBE and NVIDIA, and because those pieces, are or have been featured on their official websites, and or used in their advertisements. Significant or notable awards? Possibly because they were national awards with over 600 competitors. Significant? I guess winning shouldn't be significant, seeing as everyone wins in a competition, correct?

Let me use some examples from other creative endeavors. For instance, awards from the film industry considered notable are Academy Awards, Emmys, Golden Globes, BAFTAs, the Palme d'Or and the like. There is nothing about "significant and notable" pertaining to the number of competitors entered or the annual revenue of the sponsoring company. That being said, if these awards were so prominent as all of that, wouldn't someone have heard of them? "Daniel Ra" + "NVIDIA" returns ZERO hits [1] on Google News; beyond which, as Ra didn't actually win this award, it wouldn't count anyway. "Daniel Ra" + "Adobe" returns ZERO hits [2] on Google News. Ravenswing 23:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Belonging no more makes Ra notable than it makes me notable' Third, I would like to point out that your point is completely invalid, as there is a logic flaw. For one the discussion was not about being apart of the community, it was about being known or featured by the community. Secondly, going by your logic, there should not be a difference in terms of notability between Bill Gates and I, seeing as we are both apart of the Washington census, after all we share the same numerical count, correct? Also the difference between Ra and you sir, is that he was featured by staff members and those affiliated with the listed competitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abablitz (talk • contribs) 21:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice try. In fact, being a longtime dA user, there are constant in-site features and competitions. None meet any notability bar. As it happens, I just looked up Mr. Ra's dA page, which is, oddly enough, abablitz.deviantart.com (making this, now, a probable WP:COI violation). The site has 20,000 page views, which is astonishingly modest for someone active on the site for five years - the most popular artists have page views well over a million. None of the 9 pieces have ever been cited for a Daily Deviation, the most notable honor on the site and one frequently awarded. Only one piece has broken 200 "favourites," again a very modest mark where popular artists routinely have their works go over a thousand favs in hours. These are numbers that no dA member would claim as noteworthy ... presuming that fame on this particular website translates to passing the bar of WP:GNG or WP:BIO, which it doesn't. Ravenswing 23:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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