Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Currency
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) -- Lord Roem (talk) 05:45, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Meets several aspects of WP:DEL-REASON: Content fork of Money; Little citation; WP:OR; Not encyclopedic; Intent may violate WP:DICTIONARY. The whole lead is arguably the only non-duplicating part of the article which is entirely questionable in its factual accuracy. With that said, it does not even properly summarize the article. Hopkinsenior (talk) 11:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Money.--Hopkinsenior (talk) 12:55, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to article Money! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The article in its current state is a mess, and I'll agree there's a lot of duplication going on, but I am not convinced it should be blown up. Currency is unquestionably a distinct topic from money, the former being a component of the latter (along with demand deposits). None of the related articles is in very good shape, and this one is much worse than the rest, but AFD is not for cleanup. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Currency is not a fork, it refers to "paper money" as in "coins and currency." We don't regard coins as a fork of money, do we? Neither should this be. Money is broader than coins, money is broader than currency — although both coins and currency are types of money. This remains clearly an encyclopedic topic and I had to check my calendar to make sure it's not April 1 seeing this proposed for deletion... This article is heavily overtagged at the top (I'll pare that back shortly) but does need some TLC from the Numismatics Work Project. Carrite (talk) 16:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment That's debatable. What about digital currencies or crypto-currencies--or so they call them? What about the fact that currency is traded digitally on Forex and is still referred to as currency? Who has the authority to claim what can be currency? What reliable sources prove and say that currency can only refer to physical objects? The article as it stands does not verify that currency is only physical. Additionally, there are a plethora of sources that refer to solely digital money as currency.--Hopkinsenior (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirectto banknote. Ah, in the process of de-tagging the piece I discovered there is already an article entitled banknote, which deals with paper money... This IS a fork, if properly written, but not a fork of money — it is a fork of banknote... Money is the superset and primitive money, coins, currency (banknotes), scrip, tokens, electronic fund transfer, credit cards, etc. are the subsets of that. This article is a mess, by the way... Carrite (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]- Keep Connotation of bills but also can refer to coins. More importantly also refers to money system of a country in particular units like dollars, pesos, yuan. All needed subtropics of money but large enough to need main article here per WP:SS. SBHarris 21:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not a fork, on its face. Bearian (talk) 22:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Commment: I found at least three economics-related definitions of "currency," now all referenced in the currency lede (by the way, ledes are not expected to contain a lot of citations, but under the current attack there was little choice). One definition is essentially synonymous with banknotes, or at least with banknotes+coin (circulating money). A much broader use of currency is that it's any medium of exchange, making THAT definition synonymous with money. So a simple delete and redirect is out, since which of these do we redirect to? A third definition is the "forex" definition, which is essentially that a "currency" is the product of a national monetary system, and is a thing that is traded in units on a foreign exchange market, like pounds, yen, euros, dollars, and the like. There is a long list of currency-related articles at the end of the currency article. Including a list of currencies (which doesn't contain cigarettes or gold dust, so it is NOT just a list of different kinds of money).
If you delete the present article on currency, all of its forex-material must go into the money article, which as it stands, doesn't really have most of this forex-related stuff. As to where "currency" would redirect if the currency article is deleted, I see no good alternative but a currency (disambiguation) page, which points to 1. physical money in circulation, especially banknotes, but sometimes also coin, 2. Any medium of exchange, see money, and 3. A legal monetary system in use by nations, with relative value of monetary units (euros, yen, dollars, etc.) decided in foreign exchange markets.
I suppose my point is, that those who want this currency article deleted have hereby volunteered to move all of its forex-related material to money. The section there on national currencies must hold everything that is in currency on that definition now, and cannot be merely summarized, because it will have no umbrella article to hold the deleted information. And if this section gets too large, don't come crying to me-- I already cited WP:SS and opined that you're doing this wrong. But I've said my piece. SBHarris 08:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Commment: I found at least three economics-related definitions of "currency," now all referenced in the currency lede (by the way, ledes are not expected to contain a lot of citations, but under the current attack there was little choice). One definition is essentially synonymous with banknotes, or at least with banknotes+coin (circulating money). A much broader use of currency is that it's any medium of exchange, making THAT definition synonymous with money. So a simple delete and redirect is out, since which of these do we redirect to? A third definition is the "forex" definition, which is essentially that a "currency" is the product of a national monetary system, and is a thing that is traded in units on a foreign exchange market, like pounds, yen, euros, dollars, and the like. There is a long list of currency-related articles at the end of the currency article. Including a list of currencies (which doesn't contain cigarettes or gold dust, so it is NOT just a list of different kinds of money).
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Obvious Keep In economics, currency are the physical manifestations of money. Banknote is a subset of that. Money, currency and banknotes are all different things. For example, the copper cash used throughout most of Chinese history is currency but not banknotes. Demand deposits are money, but are not currency. These concepts are as distinct in economics as light, photon, electromagnectic radiation, are in physics. LK (talk) 03:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Encyclopedic topic, and not simply congruent with "money". There would be a reasonable argument that the sections which overlap on "money" should link to this article rather than bypassing this stage and going to "coins" and "banknotes". Collect (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Currency and money aren't one-to-one identical, and the concept of currency is plainly notable. Worst case solution is not blowing it up but reverting to the original version. Nyttend (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The case is made that currency may have two meanings: either that encapsulated in banknote or the original form of this article, linked by Nyttend, to which this should be reverted before being retitled currency system. Cloning off money has resulted in a clear fork, and an imprecise one to boot. I'm not sure where I'm landing now, so I'll just put it in the form of this comment and leave things to the closing administrator. Basically I feel we are dealing with a serious editing question here, not a notability problem. Carrite (talk) 20:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Please read my comment above. There are three or four economic meanings of the word "currency" in ... er ... common currency (right there is a fifth, but it's linguistic not economic). Perhaps doing all this in the present currency (disambiguation) page is unavoidable for this reason. If you rename the page under discussion to "currency system" then you cannot avoid doing this work in the dab, since it would be a big argument as to which economic meaning is the primary meaning, if we insist on doing this dab-less-ly. Otherwise, we need to start, by having "currency" direct to the existing dab. The definition issues can be simply dealt with there instead of trying to put just one economic definition in the dab, as now. We can get around doing this job in the dab, only if we don't rename the article, and do an extension of what I've done in the lead already, which is remark that the word can mean banknotes, or banknotes and coins (all circulating money ), or it may simply mean "money." But those meanings are discussed at their respective articles. It can also mean a currency system in use in a nation, and that is the subject of the article below, etc.
I think we're making progress, though in seeing what needs doing, however we end up doing it. Comments on dab vs. other means? We could even a rename to currency (economics), but would still need to deal with the definition problem in that lede. The difficulty is that WP offers manny possible ways to solve the problem of a word with many common meanings, no single one always correct, per the MoS. But the first step to solving a problem is identifying the nature of the problem. I hope this helps. SBHarris 20:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Please read my comment above. There are three or four economic meanings of the word "currency" in ... er ... common currency (right there is a fifth, but it's linguistic not economic). Perhaps doing all this in the present currency (disambiguation) page is unavoidable for this reason. If you rename the page under discussion to "currency system" then you cannot avoid doing this work in the dab, since it would be a big argument as to which economic meaning is the primary meaning, if we insist on doing this dab-less-ly. Otherwise, we need to start, by having "currency" direct to the existing dab. The definition issues can be simply dealt with there instead of trying to put just one economic definition in the dab, as now. We can get around doing this job in the dab, only if we don't rename the article, and do an extension of what I've done in the lead already, which is remark that the word can mean banknotes, or banknotes and coins (all circulating money ), or it may simply mean "money." But those meanings are discussed at their respective articles. It can also mean a currency system in use in a nation, and that is the subject of the article below, etc.
- Keep As said above, currency and money are not completely the same. AutomaticStrikeout 20:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Not a fork at all. Buggie111 (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep Obviously not a fork, not the same exactly. TBrandley 06:01, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Money is an abstract concept, that can be tracked by bits in a computer in a bank account. Currency is a physical implementation of the concept, just like cars and trucks are implementations of transportation. Just because the article is currently considered low quality, does not mean it should be deleted, but rather that it should be improved. 173.206.136.196 (talk) 00:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go Phightins! 23:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I ask that those who want to comment please FIRST read the present currency (disambiguation) page, and also the lead of the present currency article. The last is necessary because we are asked not to clutter up dab pages with reference notes, which are needed from dictionaries in this case. So all that stuff from dictionaries and texts is now in the currency lede. Read it, please. I had to educate myself about this word. If what I read above is representative of the average reader and writer here, many others are in need of the same. So Wikipedia is here to help. SBHarris 00:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- SNOW KEEP per WP:SNOW currency is not money. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 00:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep A notable topic distinct from money. The discussion here demonstrates why an article is needed. --AJHingston (talk) 00:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.