Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Creative visualization

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. per WP:SNOW. Something to keep even though it could stand a bit more content. Non-admin closure. (non-admin closure) treelo _radda 21:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creative visualization

Unnecessary derivative of Law of Attraction. It is not acknowledged as a notable concept by third-party independent sources. Only New Thought believers seem to write about this idea. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comment -I'm predominantly a sceptic but I used to be interested in the New Age movement and this phrase/concept existed long before the Law of Attraction book or whatever-it-is. Sticky Parkin
- I believe that that would be The Secret (2006 film), which article covers the book as well. - Eldereft (cont.) 22:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Comment This idea appears to be identical to Law of Attraction, which is a more common term both in general and to describe Wattles' ideas. As another alternative to deletion, we might consider Glossary of New Thought terms; Glossary of alternative medicine attracts some cruft, but is not unmanageable. No !vote for the nonce. - Eldereft (cont.) 22:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) definitely not, it exists in many cultures and is decades older than that. ::There are many Wp:RS for it.[1][2] I would say one of the most well known books on the subject is 'Creative Visualisation' by Shakti Gawain, which was written in 1978. Raymond Buckland discussed it in 1971, [3] and it was mentioned in a book on Tibetan mysticism in 1960 [4][5] Here it is used by I think Catholics in 1957, [6]and it was also proposed by some believers for use in social work. It was also discussed by Richard Bach. Whether all this means it's worth an article or just a redirect to New Age movement meditation or something, I don't know. It's also used in various forms of brief therapy [7] and it's been in WP:RS news articles 588 times [8] - back in a sec...Sticky Parkin 22:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in the news with the spelling with an 's' another 120ish times. Here it is with the technique shown by the New York times to be in use in 1986 [9] in business, and 1987 in politics [10] . A book about it was reviewed in the Los Angeles times in 1990, discussing its use for couples sex lives . [11]. People even claim it can cure cancer, [12] apparently, which I think we should have an article just to debunk the health claims.:) It can help sportsmen, supposedly, and it's also used in education [13]. It's use for sport is mentioned in The Guardian [14]. New Scientist has said in 1990 that it's one of the new age techniques which may cause epileptic fits [15] so we could write a WP:NPOV article on it. Sticky Parkin 23:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The thing the term describes may or may not be bogus, but as a concept it pre-dates this Law of Attraction. If the page has too much of bias it just needs a bit of editing to make it WP:NPOV Tuxraider reloaded (talk) 23:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Creative visualization is a standard practice used in Sports Psychology and other fields. I've added several scholarly sources and copy edited it for neutrality.Renee (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see no good reason to delete this article. I am no huge fan of new age but I do not see the point in deleting an article that has potential. Albion moonlight (talk) 06:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, reluctantly. Vague, pseudo-philosophical ideas compounded of glittering generalities do not appeal to me, but this one has been around for a long, long time, and is an attempt to provide some kind of theoretical basis for Couéism and other programs for psychic self-improvement. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, reliable sources and references have been established. Message from XENU^{u, t} 17:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- though I could only just bring myself to vote lol. Sticky Parkin 18:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.