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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conservation Fallout: Nuclear Protest at Diablo Canyon

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No evidence this is a notable book or meets the low bar of WP:BOOKS. Prod removed because the book garnered a single book review. Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,389,356. THF (talk) 19:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - How can that possibly be the notability standard? There are one million books in the Princeton University Library: is it your position that each of them merit a Wikipedia article? THF (talk) 20:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BK: Academic books "are often highly specialized, have small printing runs, and may only be available in specialized libraries and bookstores. For these reasons, the bulk of standards delineated previously for mainstream books are incompatible in the academic bailiwick." --J.Mundo (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1) You didn't answer my question. 2) You left out the relevant part of that paragraph from WP:BK: "Again, common sense should prevail. In that case, notability should rely on whether it is published by an academic press,[8] how widely the book is cited by other academic publications or in the media,[9] how influential the book is considered to be in its specialty area, or adjunct disciplines, and whether it is taught or required reading in a number of reputable educational institutions." This is an academic press, so, ok, we'll ignore the lack of sales and the fact that it is on remainder. What's your evidence for the relevant criterion other than its presence in a library with a million volumes? Saying that it's one of the million books Princeton put in its library is hardly evidence of notability. THF (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This book got in the list of 196 libraries, it seems notable to me. If the book meets the criteria for inclusion for Princeton, why not Wikipedia? --J.Mundo (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
speaking as a former librarian there, what one library buys is not the standard. Princeton buys as many books as it has money for; while not infinite, they will still not all be notable. DGG (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wellock, Thomas. 2008. "Conservation Fallout: Nuclear Protest at Diablo Canyon - By John Wills". The Historian. 70, no. 3: 565-566]. That last point is enough to justify the article. Using amazon to judge the notability of academic books, either to show them notable or to show then non-notable, is not a good way of doing things; instead, try WorldCat. DGG (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Book published by the University of Nevada Press, which is a significant publisher. If this were self-published or from a non notable publisher I'd vote otherwise, but this is a keep. Personally I don't think individual books, songs, albums, minor Star Wars characters, South Park episodes, etc should even have their own articles, but that debate was already lost long ago, so keep. KleenupKrew (talk) 04:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's fascinating to me that we have finely detailed policies, and they're systematically ignored, even as they guarantee that the project becomes untenably unwieldly. THF (talk) 08:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • People think three book reviews creates notability because it satisfies criteria 1 of WP:BK: The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the book itself... This includes published works in all forms, such as...reviews. --MPerel 05:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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