Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cold Spring Tavern
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. MBisanz talk 13:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fails notability requirements per WP:Corp and WP:Notability (restaurants). Most online mentions of it are incidental ("we stopped there for lunch") or not directly related ("brush fires came close to Cold Spring Tavern") --Kickstart70TC 21:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:CORP. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 21:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep When I first looked at this one, I agreed but I did some searching and I found enough citations from the first page of a google search to establish notability. It was a stagecoach stop, it has been reviewed by LA Times and others. It has received enough press to quality, likely from their unusual menu and history. The history alone probably qualifies as notable since it is already sourced. I will likely add a few more citations, since they aren't that hard to find. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 21:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and kudos to Dennis for adding those sources. The LA Times link alone is enough to establish notability. --Mgm|(talk) 00:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Since newspaper reviews tend to be somewhat exhaustive rather than selective, they probably should not be included in the criteria for notability. Please take a look at the proposed guideline above. --Kickstart70TC 02:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand your argument, but in this case, there is more to the place than good food. The history and "unusual menu" add to it. How many restaurants serve bear and have served lion? There are other sources out there. A look at Google books brings up some interesting hits, 51 of them. The first page would probably suffice as passing the criteria in wp:n. Again, at first I was skeptical, but this is really one very notable place. If anything, we are not doing it justice, and we would use someone familiar with it to expand it. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 02:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough...notability can definitely be established through other methods. Restaurant reviews are a horrible indicator of notability however, and unfortunately they are brought forward in restaurant Afds to support claims of notability without providing any other reliable source. Please help with the proposed guideline if you have more input. Thanks! --Kickstart70TC 02:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I saw this and figured it would be an easy to delete, but now it actually sounds like some place I would want to visit. Besides, now we have improved it somewhat, so it is better from the AFD. Hopefully someone will do more. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 03:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough...notability can definitely be established through other methods. Restaurant reviews are a horrible indicator of notability however, and unfortunately they are brought forward in restaurant Afds to support claims of notability without providing any other reliable source. Please help with the proposed guideline if you have more input. Thanks! --Kickstart70TC 02:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand your argument, but in this case, there is more to the place than good food. The history and "unusual menu" add to it. How many restaurants serve bear and have served lion? There are other sources out there. A look at Google books brings up some interesting hits, 51 of them. The first page would probably suffice as passing the criteria in wp:n. Again, at first I was skeptical, but this is really one very notable place. If anything, we are not doing it justice, and we would use someone familiar with it to expand it. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 02:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Since newspaper reviews tend to be somewhat exhaustive rather than selective, they probably should not be included in the criteria for notability. Please take a look at the proposed guideline above. --Kickstart70TC 02:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I'm very hesitant to vote in accordance with Dennis, but I see no alternative in this case. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I don't know Dennis, but I have no hesitation voting to keep, based on his reported research. The place is notable. Geoff (talk) 00:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ChildofMidnight loves me, he is just jealous of how right I am sometimes ;) DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 00:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.