Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete for the same reason as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas. It was a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography the last time. It's a straight copy and paste of the subject's own copyrighted autobiography, with some of the sentences lightly touched up, this time. Uncle G (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Clyde Lucas (2nd nomination)

Consensus? I'm not sure how best to proceed with this. The article seems to have been created and almost solely edited by the subject himself, creating problems with WP:AUTOBIO and WP:YOURSELF, as well as WP:OR. It takes the form almost exclusively of a resumé or list of credits (WP:STYLE). It has no inline citations (WP:IC). Virtually all of the references are either to disputed areas of IMDb sourcing (WP:RS, WP:CIMDb), or to self-published promotional websites (WP:SPS). While I have no doubt that the credits listed are reasonably accurate, and I have myself encountered the subject's name online outside WP, (albeit only through his own promotional efforts, personal appearances, or other non-citable publications), I am concerned about the issues of style, self-promotion, verifiability, and notability that this article raises. (It should be noted that the Clyde Lucas described in this article is NOT either of the rather more famous Clyde Lucases, the big-band era orchestra leader or the jazz drummer, neither of whom have articles despite being considerably better known in their times.) I do not object to the article remaining, but I think these issues need to be addressed. It is extremely difficult to research WP-accepted citations on this subject in order to provide proper inline cites, since almost everything available online seems to have been created by Mr. Lucas, and from the tone of the article and the almost invariable editing by a single ISP, such would seem to be the case with the article itself. How do we best address such a situation? Monkeyzpop (talk) 00:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete. The two musicians appear to be marginally notable, but not the more recent composer/film producer. I was only able to find a few scattered mentions of him, and his credits don't include any major productions. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
• Revise. I believe that this person would be notable, but I don't think this article is acceptable as presented. It's mostly a list of directing jobs he has undertaken. It is not clear from this article who Clyde Lucas really is. Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. I really don't see much hope for a biographical article about this subject. Sources seem to be lacking and a resumé just doesn't cut it. Yworo (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
• Suggestion - Copy the article to its own talk page, strip away everything that fails scrutiny, and see how much is left. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Also, the first thing I look for in a biography is a guy's lifespan. He was born in St. Louis, but apparently his birthdate is a secret? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.