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It seems to be non-notable. The sources #2, #8, #9 do not contain any significant coverage. Six of the remaining seven sources were published in August 2025 or later and contain puffery as promotional articles:

On Vietnamese Wikipedia, vi:User:Thichtrunghieu was blocked in July 2025 for self-promoting Phổ Lại pagoda. After that, many sockpuppets of Thichtrunghieu were blocked. Cherry Cotton Candy 16:21, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - The subject meets WP:GNG through multiple independent, reliable sources with significant coverage beyond routine announcements:
Vietnam Architecture Journal (under the National Institute of Architecture, Ministry of Construction), Sept 2025 - a feature discussing context, architecture, and landscape. [1]
Journal of Buddhist Studies (under the Vietnam Buddhist Sangha), Sept 2025 - a feature on the site’s location, building process, and activities.[2]
The World & Vietnam Report (press agency of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Oct 2025 - a feature presenting the pagoda as a destination in Hue’s midland region.[3]
Phatgiao.org.vn (Apr 2024; Sept 2025) - overviews of formation, development, and community programs.[4][5]
In October 2025, An Viên TV’s newscast covered flood-relief deliveries in Huế and included footage from Pho Lai Pagoda and an interview with its abbot.[6]
These outlets are professionally edited under Vietnam’s press law and provide independent, in-depth coverage showing the pagoda’s religious, social, and cultural role in the region - not merely a local building.
The sources #2, #8, #9 are included only as administrative verification (ward/commune changes, original facility name); they are not relied upon for notability.
Concerns about viwiki are local to viwiki and do not bear on enwiki’s independent assessment of sources.
In my view the improved article now satisfies WP:GNG. Please evaluate the revised sourcing and do not delete the article. Nguyenngocthanhtoan (talk) 01:31, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment at this stage: I was the AFC reviewer. I initially declined the input for LLM and using sources off YouTube from personal accounts, as well as being promotional. I worked with the editor to make the article more NPOV, reduce the machine language and to clean up sourcing, It was resubmitted as a cut down version of the original and I approved based only on sources and policy. I did not consider user / sockpuppet as an issue, other than as a trigger to check sources, so I don't see account issues as a reason sui generis to decline an article. Essay (not policy) WP:LOCAL was relevant but otherwise it is WP:GNG for notability, plus verification as my primary concerns. The "positive" tone of contemporary Viet sources compared to Western media is a well established, all embracing fact of life, in my view, and I didn't want to go into a cultural bias because of that. ChrysGalley (talk) 09:11, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The sources that Nguyenngocthanhtoan mentioned above have the following problems:
  • The two articles in Vietnam Architecture Journal and The World and Vietnam Report share many overlaps in wording and data: "gieo hạt giống Phật pháp vào đời sống bình dị của bà con thôn dã", "Điểm nhấn nổi bật là tượng Quan Thế Âm bằng đá nguyên khối", "từ thiện không chỉ là sẻ chia vật chất", "Sự hiện diện số giúp câu chuyện sống đạo, kiên trì và nhân ái có thêm bạn đồng hành", etc. This suggests they are not independent sources but were written based on an introductory article from Phổ Lại Pagoda.
  • The Journal of Buddhist Studies article is poorly formatted, containing more than a dozen plain-text URLs linking to the pagoda’s YouTube, TikTok, and Facebook videos. This is a poorly edited PR piece.
  • The An Viên TV news video includes only about one minute mentioning that Phổ Lại Pagoda gave shelter to people during the floods, which does not meet WP:SIGCOV.
  • Most of these sources were published within a short time span (August–October 2025), shortly after a page was deleted on Vietnamese Wikipedia in July 2025. The timing raises suspicion that these publications are part of a coordinated media campaign in preparation for the creation of this Wikipedia article.
Cherry Cotton Candy 14:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Response to source concerns - Cherry Cotton Candy:
  • Vietnam Architecture Journal is cited only for verifiable facts about the site’s location and architecture. It is being used as a primary/field source per WP:PRIMARY for verification, not to establish notability. By contrast, The World & Vietnam Report is an independent news outlet (press agency of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) and is one of the core, independent sources supporting coverage. The suggestion that it derives from a pagoda handout is unsupported; there is no evidence that its article was republished from temple material. Overlap in wording across outlets is not evidence of dependence unless co-publication/press-release reuse is demonstrated; here the publishers are separate entities. See WP:INDEPENDENT.
  • The Journal of Buddhist Studies article (under the Vietnam Buddhist Sangha) is used as a secondary source to verify historical details (e.g., date of abbot appointment, year established, original facility name). It is not relied upon to demonstrate notability.
  • An Viên TV newscast is a broadcast news program and is cited narrowly to confirm the pagoda’s flood-relief/community function. It is supporting, not the sole basis for WP:SIGCOV.
  • Allegations about user behavior on viwiki are separate from enwiki’s content assessment; per WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, English Wikipedia evaluates the sources and article text on their own merits here. Nguyenngocthanhtoan (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Would like further views on the quality of the sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 11:31, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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