Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centric CRM (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Centric CRM = keep, Michael Harvey (software executive) = delete as there has been no showing of notability, nor do independent sources showing notabiliity appear to be available. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 15:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Centric CRM

Deleted twice in 2006, for lack of notability. At least the second submission was by Mdh98368 (talk · contribs), who seems to be identical with Michael Harvey, an executive of the company. A few months later, the article was recreated by Telmnstr (talk · contribs) (an SPA just like the former), along with a biography of Michael Harvey (software executive). Both articles later edited by Mdh98368; none of them are based on independent sources. In short: Enough of this! If no uninvolved party is willing to write an article about this company/person, then Wikipedia shouldn't have an article. B. Wolterding (talk) 12:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating also:

Michael Harvey (software executive) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

--B. Wolterding (talk) 12:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- I believe WP:NOEFFORT applies here. If this is deleted it should be based on lack of notability or verifiability (in other words, the merits of the article) rather than who is editing it. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Centric CRM, although the article really needs work. Useful sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. Definitely seems to be a notable product/company. However, delete Michael Harvey (software executive), as I see no reliable sources that are about him, rather than the company he works for or its products. JulesH (talk) 13:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Just edited the article to make it a bit more neutral, wikify and add some refs. Not great ones (trade journals) and still reads a bit like an ad, but notable - as good as the related product articles. Article still needs work. But Delete Michael Harvey - no refs. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Concursive and keep per improvements by Aymatth2. Jfire (talk) 07:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Michael Harvey (software executive) however; no evidence the article meets WP:BIO. Jfire (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notability well established with sources used. Move isn't an AFD outcome, can be discussed at leisure. Wily D 14:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.