Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Castleroid (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Merge with Metroidvania. Deathphoenix ʕ 03:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Castleroid

The page Castleroid has been re-created over an article that was originally called "Non-linear exploration". Speedy delete?

Delete Not a speedy candidate, but definitely a non-notable neologism. Less than 600 total Google hits (about 130 unique) for "castleroid". The original AfD was quite a long time ago, but I doubt that the article is considerably different from what it was then. -- Kicking222 23:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here is the 1st AfD.--blue520 08:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And here is the AfD for Non-linear exploration the originating article for this current version.--blue520 09:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Metroid-style game, along with Metroidvania. Looks like one of them silly disputes over which game should be put in the title... I say go with the first game that implemented it and mention all other names people commonly use. (Okay, I'm a Metroid fan, but I'm not taking sides here. Just a suggestion.) But that's a cleanup issue, not deletion issue. Thus, merge. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 10:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge There's no reason to have two articles discussing the exact same thing, especially when the only key difference appears to be whether or not the game is a Castlevania game. Google shows more hits for Metroidvania, so I thing there should be a merger to that article. 151.151.73.170 14:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Just as a note, this vote was mine. Lankybugger 23:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment They should be left distinct. The term castleroid is a description that should be left around much like Leet speak is kept as it's own topic. Pointers from catleroid to metroidvania and non-linear exploration should be considered (if not already there). But it's nice to have it separated from a particular game since it describes a lot of castlevania games (which is the implication of castleroid, a castlevania game that mimics metroid like play)

While I can agree with the point that a Castleroid differs from a Metroidvania in that a Castleroid is, by definition, a Castlevania game I'd like to hear your reasoning for keeping the article seperate? The only difference is the fact that one is a Castlevania game by definition while the other is not. Couldn't that be covered by a section in the proposed Metroidvania article without defining the same sort of genre twice? 151.151.21.104 15:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, rename Metroid-style game to Metroidvania, and add a note that fans specifically call "Metroid-style Castlevania games" "Castleroids". For the sake of "full disclosure" I should note that I'm the person who wrote the article Metroid-style game as a compromise after my attempts to make Metroidvania an article about "Metroid-style games" were reverted to a simple redirect to Castleroid. Luvcraft 20:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; ditto to the above, with a qualifier: some fans. "Metroidvania" is a widely-used and easily-understood bit of jargon for all games in this model (and was, indeed, created within the Castlevania fandom). For practical purposes, it makes the most sense as an umbrella entry. The term "Castleroid" is a specialized, rarely-used (and semantically inaccurate) description, that seems only noteworthy as an niche attempt to reverse a common term to suit a certain agenda, like "herstory" or what-have-you. If any of these three terms are encyclopedic, then that would be "Metroidvania", simply again on the basis of common use and therefore likelihood of a specific search.--71.139.19.107 22:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - I have heard of people describing this a number of times, including in at least one gaming magazine (Unfortunatley, i can't remember whether it was GMR, EGM or Nintendo Power. I just haven't heard of this by these names! If not mergeing Castleroid and Metroidvania, i'd say make them part of the Metroid and Castlevania articles.

Merge with Castlevania and Metroid-style game as appropriate. SAMAS 19:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Metroid-style game and Metroidvania. These can't be lumped into the main Castlevania or Metroid articles because they are used to describe non-franchise games such as Cave Story and Eternal Daughter, and it would be silly to have two identical sections in two separate game articles. Kil^(talk) 20:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Castlevania#Evolution of the games. Guermantes 20:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.