Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beyblade timeline (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. –Juliancolton ^Talk · ^Review 00:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beyblade timeline

All fan service, no references, in universe, no claims to real world significance DragonZero (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I wouldn't consider a timeline out of the question for a notable fictional universe, especially one with various properties (see Doctor Who timeline). However, a timeline by definition is the organisation of events in chronological order, which this isn't. This is more like an in-universe stats table: who fought who and what attacks they used. There might be a valid article that could exist at this title, but I'm not seeing it among the present contents. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Well if that valid article comes to existence, I think if I stumbled upon the page, I would merge them to the respective character profiles, possibly. DragonZero (talk) 21:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- I am having a hard time making out exactly what is being listed. It appears to be a list of characters and what attacks they used, but a timeline it is not. The whole thing is a completely sourceless mass of plot summary and trivia. Reyk _YO! 21:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Reyk. This is something for an external fansite, not Wikipedia. Mr.Z-man 17:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge List of Beyblade Characters. I think we can all agree that this article in no way resembles a "timeline," at least not as I understand the word. On the other hand, this page is far more detailed than the current List page. I'm at a loss as to why all the work was done on the "timeline" instead... 159.182.1.4 (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can't merge that much data over. So you'd just end up with a delete and redirect(note: when an article is deleted by merge, the history is still preserved). Dream Focus 20:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, actually, I believe it can. If merged into according episode and chapter summaries. If this article is to be kept, it needs to list the events in chronological order, not by team, and should list events other than tournament results and learned moves. Should it survive this AfD, it needs clean-up. However, as there has been no clean-up since last AfD, I am moved to vote delete. It is also too much plot with real-world info. I doutb any real-world info can be obtained. ~Itzjustdrama ^{C ?} 20:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size really isn't that much of a limitation. Merge doesn't mean that you have to merge ALL the data, you just merge what's relevant to the pages you're merging to and delete anything that's redundant or irrelevant. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 20:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this seems to be a list of how each team's/individual's Beyblade (tricked-out spinning top, if I understand correctly) has changed through the course of the series. Most of this information *should* be presented in individual episode/volume summaries on the episode and chapter lists (why are people so insistent on focusing solely on the anime aspect of so many franchises?), but it doesn't require a merge (you would have to sit and read the individual volumes or watch the individual episodes, at which point you might as well just [re]write the summary yourself), and there's just too much trivial detail here for the character list. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 20:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not even a timeline. More like tournament results. Information can be easily merged into necessary character, episode, volume summaries. ~Itzjustdrama ^{C ?} 01:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:N and WP:NOT; redundant to episode lists/volume summaries. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clear failure of WP:NOT#PLOT. No notability asserted to meet WP:NOTE. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not even a real timeline but an as if of sport results score sheet. There is no article for weekly sport results so there should be none for Beyblade. --KrebMarkt 07:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Read through the last debate. There is no reason to delete this article. The information can be a useful reference for those seeking the information. Dream Focus 19:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I watched the beyblade series, and alot of those attacks only appear once for a dramatic ending. A single appearance isn't notable enough to be wikied. If it is, then change the article to "What Beyblade characters shout at the end of an epic battle" or something along those lines, DragonZero (talk) 22:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Trivial plot information arranged based on its importance to the fictional world, not importance to our real one. This conflates background details that might be important to someone in this fictional world with importance to the viewer; matches between minor or non-characters are mixed in at random with matches between main characters, with little distinction. This is not how this plot information should be presented, and this is so hopelessly confused that the effort involved in stripping out the content of any merit would vastly exceed the effort of deleting this and starting from scratch. Do not make articles like this please. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is not a time line. This is simply a series of tables listing "attacks" which is trivial and has no context. Those in the previous debate that claim that there is no ban on fictional time lines were clearly judging the article based on its name only and not its contents. And even if it was a real time line, I question the encyclopedic value of a fictional time line. Especially in the face of WP:WAF and the need to present a time line from a real-world perspective instead of an in-universe perspective. But all in all, an episode list is a better way to present a fictional time line. It at least satisfied the need to maintain a real-world perspective. --Farix (Talk) 01:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with partial merge - This isn't a timeline and looking into the page history, it doesn't appear that it ever was a timeline. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 20:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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