Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afonso Carson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. This discussion is about whether or not the title is correct. Please take it to requested moves. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 15:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Afonso Carson

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except the name, the content was haox or never verifiable. Zerozero, transfermarketweb never a reliable source as everyone could submit information. (If i wish, i could create many fake Hong Kong career as their admin was dumb). Matthew_hk t c 09:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there is no reliable source a internationals named Afonoso Carson, all were hoax. Matthew_hk t c 09:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

even soccerway was faked by someone? FIFA.com said [1][2] the one in socceway actually Idelfonso da Silva. Matthew_hk t c 12:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Easy as that. -Koppapa (talk) 10:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - international appearance confirmed by National-Football-Teams.com, a long established reliable source. Giant Snowman 12:30, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 12:31, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - having played a senior international match for East Timor, he clearly passes WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

National-football-teams (and soccerway) refer to that person who played 1 sub games in 2011 is 'Idelfonso da Silva (in FIFA source), . And all other content is simply hoax, just likes his work on the goalkeeper (see Footy talk).

According to FIFA.com, there is only 2 games for East Timor in record this year. So there is no such Afonso Carson played in international level, but only Idelfonso da Silva. (you can assume Alfonso = Idelfonso as lack of full name) Matthew_hk t c 18:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move to Idelfonso da Silva (spelling per FIFA) or Ildefonso da Silva (spelling per Asian Football Confederation), whichever is correct. If Soccerway are using the name Afonso Carson for this player, then presumably it's a genuine alternative name, as Soccerway is considered a reliable source. But if the governing bodies call him I???fonso da Silva, we should name our article accordingly, for want of reliable source indicating which is his common name. The player, whatever his name is, played in a World Cup qualifier for Timor-Leste, so passes WP:NFOOTY. All the unsourced content, which appears to be most of it, should be removed per WP:BLP. On a side point, National-Football-Teams.com may be long established, and indeed useful, but as someone's personal website it isn't provenly reliable in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Maybe its author is a recognised expert in the field, but I'm yet to see proof. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Human made mistake. Soccerway made mistake (once i e-mail their admin they mixed up the namesake, who the older one left the Brazilian club in June and a younger one made his debut after, they even made mistake on starting lineup) but they had a nice admin (i give him the real CBF matchreport they response, despite semi-fixed the line-up). May be soccerway borrow information somewhere. BTW the Korean club seems fake. Matthew_hk t c 20:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, delete the redirect left when the page is moved to the correct spelling of his real name. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even the Guardian (bought service somewhere) made mistake. Reliable source doesn't means they did not made mistake, as i can't find any source Da Silva = Carsoan. Only the creator's wordpress was the "source". (for other soccerway mistake i encountered another one recently but i forgot whom) Matthew_hk t c 20:28, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems La Gazzetta also made mistake (on F.Mannini).[3] But if the information is true, the mistake source must be lesser than right one (TRIESTINA did not had fixed squad number may create problem). Matthew_hk t c 20:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note Regardless of the status as "hoax" (and I'm still not quite sure what you mean by that), please do not blank or mostly blank content from an article while an AfD is underway unless it is a blatant copyvio. I've reverted the partial blanking. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have thought where the article stands in a deletion procedure shouldn't preclude the removal of unsourced and probably invented information such as "his family move Bandung to pursued a better life" under the WP:BLP policy? Struway2 (talk) 08:47, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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