Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advanced SCSI Programming Interface
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Geschichte (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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Does not meet the bar for WP: N. I can't find any reliable source that isn't written by Brian Sawert. I found a student project by Johannes Lieder, some passing mentions, and a couple of sources whose reliability seems questionable at best, but without another source to establish notability, I believe this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Subject substantially covered in a 46-page chapter in Sawert's book The Programmer's Guide to SCSI (1998, Addison-Wesley); in a much shorter but still substantial page in Scott Mueller's Upgrading and Repairing PCs (2003, Que); in a 1995 Toronto Star article; in PC Mag and InfoWorld; and more. DigitalIceAge (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I understand Sawert's written about this at length, but generally we need multiple authors to establish independence. I also understand the other sources are reliable, but could you show how these sources provide in-depth coverage, ideally with quotations? Some of these don't look like significant coverage on face. Thanks for your hard work. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- In Mueller 2003, pages 563–564 and 771–772 in particular cover ASPI in depth. The Toronto Star article explicitly identifies itself as an article about ASPI ("This week, we'll talk about ASPI – the Advanced SCSI Programming Interface") and covers the background of SCSI and conflicts in the peripheral industry that inspired its invention. The InfoWorld article is an announcement of its introduction and the PC Mag article declares it the most popular of three competing SCSI standards and recognizes it as essentially the de facto standard for writing drivers for parallel SCSI devices two years after its invention. I found yet more sigcov in Computer Technology Review and PC Week. It was a fairly big deal in the computer industry for a while in the 1990s, even though USB obsoleted it in short order. DigitalIceAge (talk) 20:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, this is great. Do you mind adding this to the article? You don't have to add everything here -- adding any one of these to the article is good enough for me. I certainly won't stop you if you want to though. I'm happy to withdraw this nomination after that's done. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Added. DigitalIceAge (talk) 04:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Withdrawing this AfD. Thanks again! HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Added. DigitalIceAge (talk) 04:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, this is great. Do you mind adding this to the article? You don't have to add everything here -- adding any one of these to the article is good enough for me. I certainly won't stop you if you want to though. I'm happy to withdraw this nomination after that's done. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- In Mueller 2003, pages 563–564 and 771–772 in particular cover ASPI in depth. The Toronto Star article explicitly identifies itself as an article about ASPI ("This week, we'll talk about ASPI – the Advanced SCSI Programming Interface") and covers the background of SCSI and conflicts in the peripheral industry that inspired its invention. The InfoWorld article is an announcement of its introduction and the PC Mag article declares it the most popular of three competing SCSI standards and recognizes it as essentially the de facto standard for writing drivers for parallel SCSI devices two years after its invention. I found yet more sigcov in Computer Technology Review and PC Week. It was a fairly big deal in the computer industry for a while in the 1990s, even though USB obsoleted it in short order. DigitalIceAge (talk) 20:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I understand Sawert's written about this at length, but generally we need multiple authors to establish independence. I also understand the other sources are reliable, but could you show how these sources provide in-depth coverage, ideally with quotations? Some of these don't look like significant coverage on face. Thanks for your hard work. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A few minutes in a simple WP:BEFORE search yielded a number of sources in addition the ones above: The Book of SCSI: A Guide for Adventurers, appendix D ,Data Storage Fundamentals, PC Hardware in a Nutshell, Advanced SCSI Programming Interface by Adaptec. All these in depth sources except the Adaptec reference (which is primary, but authoritative, given they created the standard) are secondary and the book of SCSI in in depth. Along with the press coverage cited above, this demonstrates notability per WP:GNG. --
{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk}20:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)- Do you mind adding these sources to the article? Any one of these is good enough for me, but feel free to them all if you wish! HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Please close this AfD as a Keep. I no longer believe there are notability issues with the article. I don't know how to use the tool to close AfDs, so I'm leaving this for someone else to do because I'm afraid of messing it up. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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