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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Autumn of Protests

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Per my comment on its talk page - many of the protests are unconnected; the article tries to connect them, when it would serve more accurately (no OR or SYNTH) as merely a 'List of protests in October 2019' Kingsif (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:51, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per my own comment on talk page many of the protests are connected; and I have various sources proving that notion. The UN even agrees that these protests are connected in some form (I'll link that source). Please take your time to read the following sources, which explain how and why they're connected: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] If you need more sources, I can get you more sources. Foxterria (talk) 21:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We can break those down. Take the most reliable, the BBC, which says 'they're unconnected but some have common themes'. It then connects protests in Latin America by one theme, protests in the Middle East by another theme, Hong Kong and Catalunya by another, and then throws in Extinction Rebellion. This isn't saying they're all related. Or by your count, the climate protests should be included. The Reuters article did exactly the same and the UN connects them even less, saying all the protests are different but are evidence that people around the world have decided to stand up for their desire to be heard. Kingsif (talk) 22:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC also says 'While thousands of miles apart, protests have begun for similar reasons in several countries, and some have taken inspiration from each other on how to organise and advance their goals.', like you said, we can break them down. There are again several sources relating them with one another. This isn't just a series of protests omnipresent in Latin America, it's quite a global phenomenon of political tension and anti-government notion that have flared up at the same time. Foxterria (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to add, the BBC connects Latin America and the Middle East hand in hand. Foxterria (talk) 22:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)I borrow a quote from you there: some have taken inspiration from each other - not that they have all taken inspiration. As I said, similar reasons in some areas, but not the entire world, so it's inappropriate to link the entire world's protests. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It connects Latin America and the Middle East in a passing reference to previous protests. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What? The BBC itself connects these various protests throughout the entire article except the climate change ones, which is why the page '2019 Autumn of Protests' doesn't include climate change because it's irrelevant. The parts of the article on political freedom, corruption, income inequality and inequality links all the protests altogether except the climate change protests. Can you read the article please? I believe you haven't even read it completely in order to make that argument. Foxterria (talk) 22:15, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I read the article. I feel you might be willfully or accidentally misinterpreting it. Kingsif (talk) 22:48, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I feel I might need to expand on this. The articles all say pretty much one thing: there's a growing protesting sentiment around the world. Some of these attribute it to Hong Kong being in the news. But for the protests to be related, what is ultimately being protested against has to be connected, beyond themes like 'inequality' that everyone is generally angry about. With Latin America, there's a specific regional economic background and unease radiating from Venezuela that's kicked them all off. Even though Catalunya and Hong Kong are in quite similar situations, their protests obviously have ties that are much too local to be related (and are too historic to really count here). So, to see the articles as connecting all the protests into a global movement is an inaccurate reading. Kingsif (talk) 02:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As a separate comment, I link a draft I made for 2019 Latin America democracy protests; here the sources refer to the protests as a Latin American wave and have experts discuss the geopolitical background that caused protests to happen in this place at this time. I feel this serves as a comparative and an example of how some of the global protests are connected, but at regional levels; Latin America has a long interconnected political and economic history and a shared protest culture that defies being tied too closely to protests elsewhere. Kingsif (talk) 01:27, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The title is inappropriate for events which span both northern and southern hemispheres, as Autumn occurs at different times of year in the hemispheres.-gadfium 02:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I searched for a WP:COMMONNAME for all these protests, to no avail so far. Leaning towards delete. An article in Washington Post says the circumstances vary from place to place, "but over the past few years, we have seen the rise of populism and nationalism around the world — and with it have come short-sighted policies that are stunting long-term growth". The article could be recreated if a common name emerges, similar to Autumn of Nations or Arab Spring. Brandmeistertalk 11:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-50123743
  2. ^ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-protests/season-of-discontent-protests-flare-around-the-world-idUSKBN1X127J
  3. ^ https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-98152-9_10
  4. ^ https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2019/10/26/exp-gps-1027-fareeds-take.cnn
  5. ^ https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/10/23/protests-lebanon-chile-hong-kong-orig-md-mss.cnn
  6. ^ https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/10/1050031
  7. ^ https://news.yahoo.com/surge-protests-around-world-october-180230008.html
  8. ^ https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/protests-iraq-find-outlet-world-snapchat-n1072266
  9. ^ https://www.scmp.com/video/scmp-originals/3034668/what-sparked-flare-protests-around-world
  10. ^ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/10/protests-around-the-world-explained/
  11. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/25/protests-rage-around-the-world-hong-kong-lebanon-chile-catalonia-iraq
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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