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Assistance with translating citations for potential future featured article candidate
[edit]I and another user are working on polishing a current good article, Rei Ayanami, to eventually nominate her article for a featured article candidacy. I saw in Wikipedia:Translators available that you can translate from Italian. Would you be willing to help us translate titles of Italian-language sources to English? I already translated titles of sources in Japanese and Chinese. Information about this matter is avaiable at Talk:Rei Ayanami, Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do, and Wikipedia:Peer review/Rei Ayanami/archive1. Thank you most sincerely for your time and consideration to this matter. Z. Patterson (talk) 03:54, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Z. Patterson: sure, I should be able to help you out with that, depending on how quickly you need it, as most of my time is already spoken for over the next few days. Indeed, it would be enjoyable: I haven't used my Italian for anything in quite some time now. You just want me to translate the content of the it.Wikipedia version of the article into a sandbox, so you can add anything there which is not already found in the other versions? SnowRise let's rap 04:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Snow Rise: Yes, I would like you to simply translate the titles of Italian sources into English. An example from the Rei Ayanami article is the following, amongst others. You may edit directly in the article as long as the English translation from Italian is correct.
- Cordella, Claudio (2020). "Cyborg e altri simulacri". Il volto di Ayanami. Simulacri e macchine pensanti tra Oriente e Occidente (in Italian). Delos Digital. ISBN 978-88-254-1217-8.
- Z. Patterson (talk) 04:59, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I see; I didn't realize the sources were already employed in our local article. Sure--that shouldn't be too difficult. I'll plug away at them as I get opportunities; looks like there are only a little over a dozen, so it shouldn't take long. SnowRise let's rap 05:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you most sincerely. In the meantime, I will be making the changes noted in Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:47, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Z. Patterson: happy to help! Does this look consistent with the current ref style of the article and what you want added? SnowRise let's rap 21:13, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
- There is a |trans-title= parameter to put the English translation in. Other citations I and Mathglot prepared follow that convention. Thank you. Z. Patterson (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Please see Special:Diff/1309985244 as an example to follow for citing translations from Italian-language sources. Thank you for your help on the Rei Ayanami article. Z. Patterson (talk) 02:13, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
- There is a |trans-title= parameter to put the English translation in. Other citations I and Mathglot prepared follow that convention. Thank you. Z. Patterson (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Z. Patterson: happy to help! Does this look consistent with the current ref style of the article and what you want added? SnowRise let's rap 21:13, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you most sincerely. In the meantime, I will be making the changes noted in Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:47, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I see; I didn't realize the sources were already employed in our local article. Sure--that shouldn't be too difficult. I'll plug away at them as I get opportunities; looks like there are only a little over a dozen, so it shouldn't take long. SnowRise let's rap 05:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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[edit]You're right that it's important not to make too big a fuss, as it just eggs them on. In the case of this character, his tells are very obvious to those of us who are unfortunately all too familiar with them. And so it goes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:13, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- I gotcha, Baseball Bugs: happy to follow your WP:BEANS call on this. I just wanted to make sure that we weren't complicating some poorly-educated individual's clumsy attempts to find reproductive health resources. But if you're confident this the latest iteration of a recurrent troll, that's good enough for me. SnowRise let's rap 00:02, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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Today's story - short version: ten years ago we had a DYK about a soprano who sang in concerts with me in the choir, - longer: I found today a youtube of an aria she sang with us then, recorded the same year, - if you still have time: our performances were the weekend before the Iraq war ultimatum, and we sang Dona nobis pacem (and the drummer drummed!) as if they could hear us in Washington. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
Check out my talk for an Independence day, or: the pic of Oksana Lyniv was taken on 24 August. There's listening and reading in today's story, and I like both. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
On top of my talk: birthday of a great violinist and Requiem for a great friend. We sang Paradisi gloria from the Stabat Mater in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
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[edit]If its best to let that discussion die down, maybe you can revert yourself, copy your comment here and then I can reply here? Polygnotus (talk) 05:58, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
There may be a slight delay tho, I have some IRL task. Polygnotus (talk) 05:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Reverting the comment will not change the timetable for the closure, as it doesn't invite further scrutiny of HEB--on the contrary, it does the opposite, I dare say. And the response to your position is, I feel, highly germane to the discussion. Again, I didn't say it out of zealous support for the proposal myself, so much as I think the consensus is clear and provides the best case scenario resolution, given where we are at. So I'm not inclined to remove the comment. Because I don't think your advocacy for ignoring that consensus is in either the community or HEB's best interest, at this juncture--no personal offense intended. That said, you should always feel entirely welcome to share any response or concerns here, if you are so-inclined. SnowRise let's rap 06:04, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- And please don't feel rushed. Aside from the fact I'd rather you responded when you feel least rushed, I'm not exactly able to be super responsive myself just now. SnowRise let's rap 06:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- Being forced to do stuff in the outernet is a violation of my "human" "rights"!
it's just clearly unambiguous what was proposed, considered, and almost uniformly accepted with regard to the warning proposal.
Hm, perhaps I missed something? Is there an existing formal warning system or precendent for such? I actually think the proposal of creating a new option where the community gives an official warning is a decent idea. User Mackensen made a proposal, and I left some feedback here. Please join us on that talkpage, the proposal is far from implemented, but I think the idea is good enough to actually give it a try.Nor is any of this a particularly uncommon result in ANI discussions
I try not to spend too much time on the dramaboards, but I certainly have never seen such a yellow card/formal community warning/whatever you wanna call it. Mackensen did find some earlier discussions surrounding similar ideas, and listed them at User:Mackensen/Yellow_Card#Past_discussions. But I don't think this is a standard tool we all use every day that everyone is expected to be familiar with... yet. There are many people getting told "stop it/drop it", but that is different than what is proposed as a yellow card, if I understand correctly.I don't think you're doing HEB any favours by going to mat on this
I didn't actually expect to go to mat (nice expression!) on this. It often happens that I think something is completely obvious, and people are super confused. Even people whose brains I respect.
I do try to form my opinion independently, so even if I agree with the group I don't always parrot what others have said. I am not necessarily there to do HEB any favours, and just because I disagree with others does not necessarily mean I am pro-HEB or that they are anti-HEB or whatever, things are far more complicated than that. People just have differing ideas on how online communities should work. just when things were starting to peter out
I don't really want to spend a couple of hours investigating the timeline, but I would be surprised if I was more guilty of that than you or others. I got a message about the Zak Smith drama and followed that discussion, which is how I noticed the HEB discussion.the sooner the close happens, the better
Ha! Finally something we can disagree on. Or you know, I don't really disagree, I am just unsure if I agree. Having the discussion peter out without a formal close may or may not be the best outcome (I don't know). I think HEB got the message, even without a formal close. Polygnotus (talk) 07:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)your advocacy for ignoring that consensus is in either the community or HEB's best interest
I am not advocating for ignoring the consensus in this case. But I do think that creating a yellow card system is a good idea, and if we have a text we can agree on then we can use it. I don't think we can give out yellow cards before figuring out what the consequences of a yellow card are, because that is unfair to the recipient. Polygnotus (talk) 07:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)- Also note that I don't really believe in punishing people for things they did wrong years ago. Looking at the ANI archives I do see the wordcombination "formal warning" a lot but it appears to be something that individual admins make up, doesn't appear to be publicly logged anywhere, and there is no WP:FORMALWARNING or something like that as far as I am aware. The idea behind the yellow card as I envision it is that it is given by consensus of the community, not by an admin (although consensus of the community is determined by an admin). Polygnotus (talk) 09:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you throw User:Polygnotus/sr in a .html document and open it in your browser you can see how I investigate such cases. Dark mode toggle in the top right. Polygnotus (talk) 10:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back: Before I get accused of talking behind people's back. Didn't want to take up too much space on ANI, so I figured I respond to Snow Rise here. Polygnotus (talk) 10:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- And now someone got peer pressured into closing the discussion and the first question was "What does that mean tho?". So yeah things are going as predicted. Polygnotus (talk) 00:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Polygnotus, sorry for the slow reply: a personal emergency pulled me completely offline the last 24 hours, and I'll have to try to constrain my response a little here for the same reason, at least as an immediate matter. But the truth is, I don't think we really disagree on that much here. To answer your initial set of inquiries: no, you're not missing anything, it's very much not a formalized system (and you're correct, it could stand to be more so--that's actually a perennial complaint about ANI). That said, I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say a formal warning has been the result of many hundreds of ANI discussions over the years, and particularly common when the respondents are sharply divided on whether or not an immediate sanction is necessary but there is at least partial general consensus of a longterm problem. Now I want to reiterate that in this instance I didn't support the CBAN or warning proposals, and expressly opposed the former. And I both share and appreciate your position that at a certain point, further piling on was doing nothing to improve the likelihood of ideal outcomes and actively discouraging some of the most positive possible results. However, as a purely pro forma, procedural matter, I did see a consensus for a formal warning there (regardless of how I personally felt about it). And more to the point, I knew no closer could close that discussion without that finding--and if someone had tried, it for sure would have lead to a close challenge at AN, further prolonging the matter for both HEB and the community. At that point, I just felt it is best to let the consensus be formalized. Honestly, though I think the bulk of the proposals made against HEB there were untenable, I think a warning was the best case scenario result: there was enough meat on the bones regarding the complaints that I don't anything less was ever a possibility, given how such discussions tend to go. Again, not necessarily an optimal outcome to my eye (I think we are of one mind on that), but the facts being what they were, also not an unsurprising or even necessarily unreasonable outcome. I think, and you can tell me if you believe I am wrong here, that maybe you put too much weight on the ad-hoc informal terminology that the OP used in forwarding the proposal. It's certainly a potential lesson for Mackensen as well: rhetorical flourishes in proposals (particularly proposals regarding community sanctions) are often less desirable than very unembellished but also unambiguous wording. The irony is, as you pointed out above, I actually think it's a great metaphor for a formal warning system, and like you, I'm one community member who might be amenable to seeing it codified into a proper system. It's arguably something ANI/community sanction discussions in general could benefit from, as a tool that would have slightly more reliability and weight if better fleshed out than the current more vaguely applied 'formal warning' schema, such as it is. Anyhow, I appreciate your thoughts and your obvious effort to put them forward in a cogent and collaborative spirit. I hope I've been able to explain my own position adequately enough that I leave no wore feelings for having somewhat disagreed with you. If you have any further thoughts, including any speculative ideas about a "warning card" system, please feel free to share them. Just be patient with my on the reply timetable. :) SnowRise let's rap 05:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh shit hope you are ok? Yeah, I think we agree. Polygnotus (talk) 05:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Polygnotus, sorry for the slow reply: a personal emergency pulled me completely offline the last 24 hours, and I'll have to try to constrain my response a little here for the same reason, at least as an immediate matter. But the truth is, I don't think we really disagree on that much here. To answer your initial set of inquiries: no, you're not missing anything, it's very much not a formalized system (and you're correct, it could stand to be more so--that's actually a perennial complaint about ANI). That said, I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say a formal warning has been the result of many hundreds of ANI discussions over the years, and particularly common when the respondents are sharply divided on whether or not an immediate sanction is necessary but there is at least partial general consensus of a longterm problem. Now I want to reiterate that in this instance I didn't support the CBAN or warning proposals, and expressly opposed the former. And I both share and appreciate your position that at a certain point, further piling on was doing nothing to improve the likelihood of ideal outcomes and actively discouraging some of the most positive possible results. However, as a purely pro forma, procedural matter, I did see a consensus for a formal warning there (regardless of how I personally felt about it). And more to the point, I knew no closer could close that discussion without that finding--and if someone had tried, it for sure would have lead to a close challenge at AN, further prolonging the matter for both HEB and the community. At that point, I just felt it is best to let the consensus be formalized. Honestly, though I think the bulk of the proposals made against HEB there were untenable, I think a warning was the best case scenario result: there was enough meat on the bones regarding the complaints that I don't anything less was ever a possibility, given how such discussions tend to go. Again, not necessarily an optimal outcome to my eye (I think we are of one mind on that), but the facts being what they were, also not an unsurprising or even necessarily unreasonable outcome. I think, and you can tell me if you believe I am wrong here, that maybe you put too much weight on the ad-hoc informal terminology that the OP used in forwarding the proposal. It's certainly a potential lesson for Mackensen as well: rhetorical flourishes in proposals (particularly proposals regarding community sanctions) are often less desirable than very unembellished but also unambiguous wording. The irony is, as you pointed out above, I actually think it's a great metaphor for a formal warning system, and like you, I'm one community member who might be amenable to seeing it codified into a proper system. It's arguably something ANI/community sanction discussions in general could benefit from, as a tool that would have slightly more reliability and weight if better fleshed out than the current more vaguely applied 'formal warning' schema, such as it is. Anyhow, I appreciate your thoughts and your obvious effort to put them forward in a cogent and collaborative spirit. I hope I've been able to explain my own position adequately enough that I leave no wore feelings for having somewhat disagreed with you. If you have any further thoughts, including any speculative ideas about a "warning card" system, please feel free to share them. Just be patient with my on the reply timetable. :) SnowRise let's rap 05:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that's kind of you to ask: I'm ok now, though I did spend time today in an operating theatre waiting room anxiously awaiting the results of a loved one's emergency surgery. Thankfully, things went as well as they could have in the circumstances, but I'm still reacquiring my mental equilibrium and accepting that things are going to be alright. To be honest, I think I am only responding now because I needed some normalcy from this and some other mundane communication tasks for work to try to still my thoughts and let the roller-coaster of the last day process at the back of my mind for a bit. But the mattress does begin to beckon now. SnowRise let's rap 05:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oof yeah Wikipedia can be a relaxing distraction from real life... if you manage to avoid visiting ANI. It is always weird to have conversations with people and know very little about their life beyond the screen, only knowing that they have one. Recharge your batteries and sleep well! Polygnotus (talk) 05:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that's kind of you to ask: I'm ok now, though I did spend time today in an operating theatre waiting room anxiously awaiting the results of a loved one's emergency surgery. Thankfully, things went as well as they could have in the circumstances, but I'm still reacquiring my mental equilibrium and accepting that things are going to be alright. To be honest, I think I am only responding now because I needed some normalcy from this and some other mundane communication tasks for work to try to still my thoughts and let the roller-coaster of the last day process at the back of my mind for a bit. But the mattress does begin to beckon now. SnowRise let's rap 05:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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A question about deleting sock farm comments
[edit]We don't even delete comments from established sock farms, we strike them.My understanding was that, if we have dispositive evidence of WP:BLOCKEVASION (and most sock farmers are, to my knowledge, evading at least one block), the default assumption is that we remove all contributions, to both article and talk space. That's how I always interpreted this part of the policy anyway:
Have I been mistaken about this? Generalrelative (talk) 22:55, 16 October 2025 (UTC)Anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a ban or block, without giving any further reason and without regard to the three-revert rule. This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made in violation of a block or ban (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.
- Hey Generalrelative, how are you? So, my understanding is that the cited provision of the blocking policy refers to edits to articles/other mainspace contributions. As to talk page comments from socks, for quite a long time now the custom has been to just strike the sock's comments, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE--though it has never been codified into policy. I've seen a number of different rationales offered for why this is the best middle ground between doing nothing and WP:DENYing through outright removal, but the three that are most compelling to me are that
- 1) it helps make sure that the flow of conversation as it happened is clear;
- 2) the formatting of refactored discussions does not get disturbed; and
- 3) (and in my mind, most significant) that if socking disruption/efforts to effect a discussion outcome do occur, that's relevant information which a discussion closer, an admin, or even just a late-comer to the discussion might all want to be able to see at a glance. The striking lets those comments be marked as non-relevant to any close or consensus, while also flagging the degree of attempted interference that has been taking place on the TP. On the other hand, if the comments violate other principles by which TPG allows a removal (gross incivility without redeeming policy commentary, unambigous libel, child protection guidelines, ect.), it's probably best to remove them, even if they were also made by a sock.
- That said, the sock-striking principle has never been expressly endorsed by the community, but I can't remember the last time that I saw someone object to it, provided the account/IP had already had already been blocked as a sock. As to whether going a step further to remove a comment altogether is permitted, I think it's a grey area as far as the BP is concerned, but for the above reasons and others, I think it is usually best avoided. SnowRise let's rap 23:16, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- Aha, thanks. That makes a lot of sense. Been well, and the good kind of busy. Hope you have too!
- To clarify, my practice has been only to delete sock comments when they are fresh and no one has yet replied to them (as encouraged in WP:SOCKSTRIKE). If they have become integral to the flow of conversation, I always strike instead, and sometimes hat the section of conversation where it's just a bunch of editors conversing with a sock master.
- So it sounds like we really are roughly on the same page here. Cheers, Generalrelative (talk) 23:39, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
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October music
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Today Sequenza III on Luciano Berio's centenary. You can listen with the score or to the first performer, Cathy Berberian (link in the work's article), - I couldn't decide ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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"where the two of you have been sniping at eachother and accusing one-another of bad faith actions for weeks."
[edit]Can you clarify this accusation? Where have I been casting the accusations at Longewal for "weeks"? In fact my only interaction with them before today as here.
Also can you check if I have placed the further reading section at the correct place? [1], I think it looks weird. Zalaraz (talk) 12:40, 2 November 2025 (UTC)