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Hamburg
Explanation for your Hamburg change please. Everything you like, you leave as it is, and what you don't like, you delete. You deleted Bauer Media Group but Gruner + Jahr is still there. You deleted Heinrich Hertz, Johannes Brahms and Felix Mendelssohn, but Helmut Schmidt is still there. I wonder who is more famous. You deleted the Vltava info, although it was just a note not occupying space, and you deleted also the Stern info but Spiegel is still there. And you did all this, without explanation. And at Erfurt, note that it is completely uncommon to mention all the distances to different German cities. Justification for all this please Tibesti1 (talk) 00:28, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- I restored an earlier revision (see WP:STABLE) because your changes are problematic from multiple viewpoints.
- Major grammatical errors and MOS violations.
- Removal of {{Lang}} templates. They are there for a reason.
- Factual errors. Stating that the Elbe river is actually the Vltava river is simply wrong. And also has no place in the lead.
- Trivial additions not relevant to what a lead is supposed to do: summarize the most important contents of the article.
- Quite frankly, you have to be very careful when editing the lead of a major article. If you disagree with my assessment, please discuss it on the article's talk page, per WP:BRD. intforce (talk) 07:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- First of all, let me tell you, the manner in which you go around here deleting things is not very pleasing. Treating my edits as if they were vandalism, although none of them has the slightest touch of that.
- Secondly, a closer look at what you exactly do shows, that you can't have read carefully through all my edits before reverting them, but that you just randomly and broadly reverted all my edits from one day. Otherwise it is not explainable, that the Spiegel is now again called a newspaper in the lead, and not a magazine. You tell me to be careful when editing a lead of an article, when it is in fact the case that i'm the one who reads through it carefully and tries to improve it, and you are the one reverting it to a state full of mistakes.
- Now that i told you the first mistake you made reappear again, it goes on. To begin with Frankfurt (Oder), your reverts are highly problematic.
- First of all, you deleted the second spelling variant as well as the local dialect variant from the infobox, although a look at other cities' articles shows, that it is in fact common practice to mention the alternative names in the infobox. For sure, you will be able to cite the Wikipedia rules that allow you to delete the alternative names from the infobox.
- Secondly, you deleted the info, that there also appears a gallic rooster in the coat of arms of Słubice and not just of Frankfurt. Now while one can do that, one doesn't have to do that. Maybe you can explain why it's better not to mention this.
- Thirdly, the name section of Frankfurt seems to be much too short to be justified. If there is not enough material for a name section, the alternative names are normally mentioned right at the beginning of the article.
- Fourthly, there is now again that sentence "The large lake Helenesee lies within Frankfurt's city limits." in the article. This sentence reads like a non-sentence, as if there is missing something.
- Concerning Hamburg, my first question would be, if the lead is supposed to summarize the most important things as you wrote, why is it that Olaf Scholz being chancellor since December 2021 is in the lead of Hamburg. Do you really think that something like that would be in the lead of Britannica? It is obvious, the most famous sons of Hamburg are Brahms, Mendelssohn and Hertz, and you deleted all of them, while Merkel, Schmidt and Scholz are still there. But you will surely have a good explanation for that, too.Tibesti1 (talk) 12:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Tibesti1: You are treating this like a personal issue, when it's not. I have no intention nor desire to be hostile to you. All of us are volunteers, and I have no personal stake other than wanting to see each article improved. We do have policies and guidelines to follow here, but that is not the point. Wikipedia is built on consensus, and if someone disagrees with your changes, you discuss the topic on the talk page, so other editors can may in.
- When you make a massive edit that improves some aspects while introducing a number of gross errors, you can not reasonably expect other editors to manually undo every error while keeping your improvements in. In that case, a reversion to an earlier revision is not an endorsement of the prior revision, as you imply, but simply a recognition of the fact that the newer revision has made the article worse from an objective viewpoint. To avoid this, make small, individual changes over time, and use the edit summary where you explain your reasoning behind the change, giving other editors the chance to review each change individually. intforce (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Your Frankfurt (Oder) change. Are you telling me that i may not revert your last change there, but discuss each of the four points on the talk page, or change it back again in four different steps? Tibesti1 (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- I am not convinced that the Marchian name is notably to warrant such a prominent inclusion in the lead and infobox. Adding a footnote is perhaps more suitable. intforce (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- And what are the criteria for including Low German names of cities in the Low German language area? As we can see at Turin, there the infobox also shows the name in Piedmontese. Tibesti1 (talk) 10:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Inclusion is decided on a case-to-case basis. Feel free to discuss it on the talk page if you disagree. intforce (talk) 10:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- And what are the criteria for including Low German names of cities in the Low German language area? As we can see at Turin, there the infobox also shows the name in Piedmontese. Tibesti1 (talk) 10:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- I am not convinced that the Marchian name is notably to warrant such a prominent inclusion in the lead and infobox. Adding a footnote is perhaps more suitable. intforce (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Your Frankfurt (Oder) change. Are you telling me that i may not revert your last change there, but discuss each of the four points on the talk page, or change it back again in four different steps? Tibesti1 (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- When you make a massive edit that improves some aspects while introducing a number of gross errors, you can not reasonably expect other editors to manually undo every error while keeping your improvements in. In that case, a reversion to an earlier revision is not an endorsement of the prior revision, as you imply, but simply a recognition of the fact that the newer revision has made the article worse from an objective viewpoint. To avoid this, make small, individual changes over time, and use the edit summary where you explain your reasoning behind the change, giving other editors the chance to review each change individually. intforce (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Africa (Saint-Saëns)
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Your GA nomination of Africa (Saint-Saëns)
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- Hi, I notice that you have not yet started work on addressing the issues made in my review for this article. Please note that the nomination will be failed on 11 July, as stated in the review, if they are are all sorted by then. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 14:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Quantum computing lead
Hi! I see that you reverted my changes to the lead of the quantum computing article without providing an explanation.[1] I think that it is always a good idea to explain your reasons for preferring the older version when reverting changes to an article.[2] I had made the change to help make the lead more concise, and to mention the hype around quantum technology, as I had previously discussed with Igor Markov in the article talk page.[3] Could you please explain your rationale at Talk:Quantum computing so that we can reach a reasonable consensus? — Freoh 12:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Freoh, thank you very much for your contributions to Wikipedia. I agree that the lead should highlight the practical limitations more. Nevertheless, I believe the earlier version had certain merits that deserve consideration, mainly in terms of flow and coherence, offering a clearer explanation of the relationship between classical and quantum computers, and introducing quantum supremacy in a more natural way. I also think that the phrasing "hype around the discipline" is potentially unencyclopedic. Additionally, I'm not too sure why you removed the final sentence that introduced quantum complexity theory, which was certainly useful. However, I value your thoughtful edits and encourage you to continue refining the article. intforce (talk) 14:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Intforce, I can agree that "hype around the discipline" doesn't seem encyclopedic, but it is semantically appropriate given the circumstances. Would you be comfortable with "unusually high expectations for" or "irrational exuberance related to" "the discipline" or some other appropriately elevated substitute? Igor Markov 23:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a universal scientific consensus declaring quantum computing to be overhyped? If not, I propose rephrasing "generated hype around the discipline" to something like "generated notable interest in the discipline" or "drawn considerable discourse in the discipline" to comply with WP:NPOV. intforce (talk) 09:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Intforce, I can agree that "hype around the discipline" doesn't seem encyclopedic, but it is semantically appropriate given the circumstances. Would you be comfortable with "unusually high expectations for" or "irrational exuberance related to" "the discipline" or some other appropriately elevated substitute? Igor Markov 23:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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