User talk:EWS23/Archive 1

This is the first archive page for User_talk:EWS23. It contains messages from August 2005 to November 2005. For current messages or to leave a message for User:EWS23, please go back to the main talk page linked above.

Welcome!

Hello, EWS23/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! -- Longhair | Talk 02:33, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(I removed the welcome left by -Ril-, but have left the time stamp below. Please do not interpret this in any way other than the desire to not have to change my own page as I work on removing duplications. :o)

~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 20:59, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User categorization

Greetings, EWS23! Please accept this message as an invitation to categorize your user page in the category Category:Wikipedians in Washington and removing your name from the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Washington page. The page will be deleted when all users have been removed. Even if you do not wish to be placed in a category, could you take a moment to remove your name from the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Washington page? Thanks!!

To add your name to the category, please use the tag [[Category:Wikipedians in Washington|EWS23]] to ensure proper sorting.

For more information, please see Wikipedia:User categorisation and Category:Wikipedians by location. -- Roby Wayne ^{Talk • Hist} 06:56, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Handbook of Texas proposed deletion

Please go here and express your opinion on whether Category:Handbook of Texas citations should be deleted. As a Wikipedian in Texas, your opinion on this topic is particularly valuable. 66.167.253.162 17:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Re:Msg box

Nope, no problem :-)

Cheers, Linuxbeak | Talk]] 04:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No message, Just leaving one (:P)

Hehehehehehe..... Anyways, this is just a reply like you asked for. Dr. B 02:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

I am soo sorry. I was just experimenting because I never knew that we can edit on this site. I changed someone's name somewhere by accident. I had no clue, sorry. I didn't know that it would actually go on the site. When did editing on this site start anyway? Well it is a good idea. I am soo sorry.

hey thanks for the message

maybe you can help me out, I was wondering what a "wiki website" is. I saw it used somewhere on here before. Is it any affiliation with wikipedia?

A wiki website is basically any website in which users can edit the content freely. Of course, Wikipedia is one of these, and this is where it got its name from. For more information, see Wiki. Have a great day! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 05:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How to move a page

Do NOT do a copy+paste!

READ How_to_move_a_page. You use the "MOVE" button, at the top of most every page, this moves the talk pages, the watch pages, the links, everything. If the page you want to move to has never been edited, any user can do it. If it has, or there is content there you have two choices:

You can use: Requested moves

and/or

Go to the admin page and see who is online now, then hit one up. Or an admin you already know. It is ten to 100 times faster than putting it on "Requested moves" I have seen pages stay on there over a month.

Once the page has been moved, go to and click "What links here" in the toolbox on the left pane. Then you can begin your link fixes, fix the "re-directs" (I recommend looking at this list before the move). I wouldn't worry to much about the "user" pages, if any, that are linked to that particular page, those users can fixs the re-directs if they want to.

WikiDon 03:42, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for my misinformed comment about how to appropriately move the Big 12 conference page, and hopefully no one did what I said. Rest assured, I had no intent on doing it myself, in case (as turned out to be true) it was the wrong way to go. It made sense to me at the time, but obviously Wikipedia has much more organized procedures for frequent tasks such as moves. I try not to get into complicated stuff like that myself, for fear of doing even one minor thing wrong, which is why I'll probably never accept an admin position even if it were offered to me. However, I will continue to do my best in helping Wikipedia. Thanks again for your productive comments! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:48, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Since Big 12 Conference does not have a history, any logged on user could move the page. I could have done it, but I wanted User:Ashlux to have the opportunity to do it, since they have not done it before. (The bird getting its wings and all that.) Of course, you never know when a user might log in again, if ever. WikiDon 03:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal

I feel I owe you an explanation: I am almost certain that the reasons your request was ignored arethe absolutely massive discussions on the project page and IRC sparked off by the Wikimedia Foundation's announcment that there will be an ad-trial on Wikipedia. Every admin worth their salt has commented or been otherwise engrossed (myself not excluded). Our apologies. --Maru (talk) No ads on Wikipedia. 06:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your explanation. I certainly understand the distraction; I am also opposed to advertising on Wikipedia pages, and will look into the new proposal, when I will likely join the cause. Thanks again for taking the time to respond; don't worry, I wasn't too upset with the admins, just slightly perplexed as such things are usually taken care of quite efficiently. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 07:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AIV

Hey, sorry for no admins responding to your request. Sometimes when it this this late (EST), it's good to look at RC and see if there are any sysops on and send them a message. Unfortunately, not all of us monitor those pages, I do, however I'm on my laptop and temp out of commission due to hurricane. I just wanted to respond to let you know watch the page, just not as often at night. A few, besides my self that I know are usaully on this late, are User:Filiocht, User:Redwolf24, User:Splash. Also check Wikipedia:List of administrators. Sorry I couldnt' be of assistance when you needed it. «»Who ?¿?^meta 06:07, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for responding. I wasn't very upset about it, but just surprised, considering responses to such things are usually very swift. I guess being on the west coast, I tend to forget how late it is sometimes on the east coast (though I'm sure there are many west coast based admins). Best of luck with the hurricane! As a meteorologist in training (will be graduating from University of Washington Atmospheric Sciences department in the spring), I've been following Wilma very closely. I wish you the best of luck, and stay indoors in a safe shelter until it passes completely through. Thanks again for your response. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 07:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

not neutral?

well, i'd like to know where I wasn't neutral.

Okay. Well, looking at your edits, your preference of Perl over other computer languages, including Java, is obvious. However, I was more concerned with your edits of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. While what you wrote isn't necessarily false, words like "failed" and "massive failure" are loaded and can be said in a less controversial way. The same goes for your comments about Disarmament Law on that page; while not necessarily un-true (civil rights can be debated for hours), the previous description was more in line with the INTENT of the law, if not necessarily the effect, in your opinion. Please continue to contribute if you have areas of expertise! However, please think about whether your words are more or less neutral than what is already there, as many of these articles have been meticulously edited for NPOV. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I aim to expose both sides of the coin. Usually, you've got a lot of good stuff written about Java and bad stuff written about Perl. As someone that knows both languages fairly well I can spot the usual misconceptions.

I assume you're not Brazilian. Lula's social programs here are one of the main targets for political jokes and such things. It's really *that* bad.

About the Disarmament Law, there was a referendum this Sunday and the population voted against the law. In every single Brazilian state, the population was against it.

Anyway, I re-edited using another words which might please you more. Either way, I don't wan't this to become some sort of a war of edits or something like that.

I don't want an edit war either. You are correct, I am not Brazilian, and because of this I will give you the benefit of the doubt concerning recent news and feelings within the country. Some of your recent edits appear to be more neutral. One suggestion I'd have is to restore what the disarmament law did, for encyclopedic reference, then noting that it was overturned by a recent referendum.

As far as Perl/Java goes, I understand your concerns. However, I urge you to strive for neutrality. If you put the truth, both languages will not have good stuff/bad stuff written about them on Wikipedia, but rather neutral, factual information upon which people can base whatever opinions they may make.

Once again, thank you for your contributions; I will not get into an edit war with you, just keep my words in mind when contributing to Wikipedia.

EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 05:17, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva

Hi Eric,

I've changed a bit that sentence, to "Critics claim the law restricts... blablabla". Indeed, this happens. There are the people who voted for prohibition, saying it will decrease violence, and people who voted agains prohibition, claiming it restricts civil rights. Maybe changing a bit the phrase can solve the problem (I hope so!).

Best regards,

Milena 09:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC) ^{Leave me a message}[reply]

More about Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva

Hi, EWS23.

I have checked the edits made by 200.150.59.201 on Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and I agree that some (note: some) of them sounded not NPOV. Most of these were already fixed. I revised the ones I though were still on the need of attention. I believe the article, as a whole, has improved in quality after all this process. Thank you, and thanks to user 200.150.59.201 too. --Abu Badali 17:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

NBA dress code

Thanks for taking the lead on this. Good work. Muhgcee 07:26, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:66.215.3.69

How funny! I was just reading some of your posts on another talk page--trying to remember where--and thought, what a nice editor. Now, I get a message.

I've been looking at this anon's contribs and they are just all over the place.....I placed a nice note on their talk page, but if they don't seem to "get it" and continue to place random information in articles, a temporary block is in order. It seems as if they are actually trying to help, but, as I have to depend on you knowing more about the subject matter than me ;-), they need to learn to cite any changes that may seem controversial. Let me know if you see anything else that would point to malicious vandlism as opposed to incorrect data. P.S. Nice to meet you ;-) >: Roby Wayne ^Talk 06:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there

I actually have a logon (Seadog1611) and thought I was logged on but I guess I wasn't. Too bad, I would have liked to get "official" credit for all this! --Seadog1611 05:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

you little prick rob wayne you'l never stop me from outdating bushes portfolio but you can't you little dumbass and now i'm off to go do some more editing in the world war 2 page try to find them byeeeee

I think you're looking for RobyWayne, but I'll happily take flames from vandals any day...it means we're doing our jobs. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 18:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. My first fan letter. ;-) Thanks for letting me know! >: Roby Wayne ^Talk 18:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, no problem. In fact, he was such a big fan, he included you in his next edit. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 18:15, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been to Europe in almost 10 years! I had no idea I was causing so much trouble :-). Classic. Have a great weekend!! >: Roby Wayne ^Talk 18:25, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your Simpsons' edit message

Yes, it is true --J. Nguyen 04:10, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Austin, Texas

Hi EW, thanks for the note. You are very welcome. I probably shouldn't have even mentioned "edit war" in my summary as I had no real reason to believe an edit war was imminent. I was just looking for a quick fix - I'm glad you think it is an OK solution to the question, hopefully anon will agree! Johntex\^talk 19:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I do agree. Thanks.--67.101.66.205 22:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus was a wizard, therefore Harry Potter bad.

I see nothing on the page you cite that says that Harry Potter "undermines Christianity by implying Christ was a wizard". Perhaps I have missed it. Could you please quote it for me? - Nunh-huh 03:01, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

While the exact quote is not in that article (as I said, this is likely not the original source of the author, perhaps we should ask him) I felt it was something remarkably similar. Here are a couple of quotes from that page:

"The pressure to participate in the fun and frenzy is intense. So what can a Christian child do in the midst of such hype, hypocrisy and popular wizardry?

Those who know God can find answers in His Word. Consider this list of Biblical warnings and wisdom, then put on the Armor of God and pray that He lead you in His way."

"8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books, words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as just another form of magic."

Let me know whether you think this is not similar enough to the author's addition to merit inclusion. Thanks. :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no, I don't. The phrase that was added says that Harry Potter "implies Christ was a wizard". Nothing on the page you linked makes such a statement. I would be surprised if many Christians made that claim, and even if a single source could be found for that claim, it would certainly be an idiosyncratic claim by an insignificant fraction of the already small fragment of the Christian community which objects to Harry Potter. In order to make such a claim, the Christian making it would have to neglect the fact that the Potter books say nothing about Christ, making it a bit difficult to imply anything about Christ. In short, they would have to be a stupid Christian, or a dishonest one. So yes, your returning the claim to the article without a source is something I'd object to. Absurd claims need to be attributed, or not included. This isn't horseshoes, and "similar" is in the eye of the beholder. I don't see much similarity between the source you've cited and the claim you say it is similar to. - Nunh-huh 03:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have reworked the added sentence to be more in line with the source that I found. Instead of reading Some claim it undermines Christianity by implying Christ was a wizard and his miracles were magic. it now reads Some claim that children who read the books may begin to view the miracles of God as simply another form of magic. I feel this is more in line with the source that I found, and is fully supported by the quotes above. I felt the first quote was very similar, especially since Jesus and God are interchangable in many Christian doctrines; furthermore, you can find many sites online comparing Harry to Jesus (calling him a "Christ-like figure"). However, I understand your concern, and hope the current change is more agreeable. Please let me know if you feel this is better or if it still needs some tweaking. Thanks! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:46, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as you've emended it, it is now more-or-less supported by the page you cite, and isn't actually false. Unlike the original. - Nunh-huh 04:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"keep austin weird" page

I am a student at UT and my professor asked us to do an assignment in which we post something about the "Keep Austin Weird" phrase and sign it with our initials. While this may seem like an unusual assignment, my professor's husband coined the "Keep Austin Weird" phrase and her original intent was to have him review the postings and tell her which ones he thought were valuable and interesting. I would appreciate it if you would stop deleting or editing our posts, at least for a week, because that is the time frame we have to do the assignment. I understand that you are trying to keep this page as accurate as possible, and I know that she can still review our posts through the "History" page, but if you could please let us post our opinions that would be very helpful. Thank you.

re: Keep Austin Weird page

The professor is Karen Pavelka, and it is for a freshman seminar. Her email is pavelka@ischool.utexas.edu To show us how the site is used and how easy it is to post something ridiculous, this afternoon she posted "Red Wassenich is a fabulously handsome man, some would say quite Adonis-like." just to mess with her husband when he read it later. She then realized that the page was being monitored when her comment was deleted. So anyways, I'm going to post my entry again, with my initials, and until you talk to her, here is the original assignment:

Amend the "Keep Austin Weird" page on Wikipedia: My husband, Red Wassenich, is the person who coined the phrase "Keep Austin Weird" and we had the first bumper stickers printed several years ago. Wikipedia has a page headed with the phrase, but the only content is teh sentence I entered last night. I am asking each of you to make an entry and sign it with your initials. I will have my husband review the content, and each person who creates an entry that he accepts will be given an A for the assignment. If it is not accepted the person will not get credit for the assignment, but can re-try.

For Professional Weirdness, a New Yorker is Required

Yes, she's not the first person to disrupt Wikipedia to prove a point, and won't be the last<g>. It's on my watchlist now, and it's not like Wikipedia's reputation is going to be affected much by the veracity of our Keep Austin Weird page. As long as it's cleaned up once the "assignment" is over, I'll be happy<g>. - Nunh-huh 05:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Simpsons

its too triivial for the ointro paragraph i felt. PMA 21:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Zephyrad

OK, so I registered, and discovered that my previously-anonymous contributions and the ones I made afterwards are NOT matching up; the earlier ones are still credited to my IP address (70.189.195.127), while the ones I've made today are going under this nick. That doesn't sound at all like what you described... and I am NOT amused. WTF?!?! Zephyrad 19:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Zephyrad,

I apologize if there was a confusion regarding the creation of a user name. You are probably referring to this part of my welcome message:

The ability to view all your contributions via a "My contributions" link

This is something that anonymous IP addresses cannot do easily by themselves, whereas its a much simpler tab at the top of your page if you are logged in. Every contribution you make to the encyclopedia from here-on-out will be easily accessable from "My Contributions." If you are concerned about being credited for your edits prior to making a user name, you can always direct people to Special:Contributions/70.189.195.127, to show them the 1000+ edits you made as an anonymous user (assuming these were all you and not you combined with other users on the same IP). Or, if you so desire, you can simply log out and never use this user name, choosing to stay anonymous; however, as I pointed out, people will be able to identify you much more easily with your user name, since humans can recognize letter combinations more quickly than number combinations.

Once again, I apologize for any confusion I may have caused. Creating a user name does have quite a few benefits, with about the only drawback being the one you have pointed out, that all of your anonymous edits are stored in a separate place. If you have any more questions or concerns, feel free to contact me again on my talk page.

EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 22:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Zephyrad

No, actually I was referring to the last point, "Your IP address will no longer be visible to other users." Imagine my surprise and disappointment when I went to the trouble, and registering turned out to not only be a dividing line between prior and subsequent contributions... but MY IP ADDRESS IS STILL VISIBLE FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS EDITS AND ADDITIONS. I expected the list to change from "70.etc." to "Zephyrad", thus concealing my IP address... but it didn't.

Ah, I understand. Well, the point of that bullet was to say that if you continue to edit as "Zephyrad," users who see your edits won't know that your IP address is "70.etc." I suppose when someone creates a user name, all of their previous edits could be relabeled with the new user name and all of those contributions moved to the user's contribution list. However, this is not currently the policy; this is likely due to the fact that this would require a fair amount of server work time, would be potentially confusing to other editors, and would not necessarily be true in the case of shared IPs. However, if you feel strongly that user's IP edits should be transferred over to their user accounts, perhaps you can suggest it at Wikipedia:Village pump. This is a place for users to propose and discuss policies, technical issues, etc. I apologize once again for the confusion. Once again, feel free to contact me if you have further questions or comments.

EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:03, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is possible to discover the location of these IP addresses

Well, I'm not how some of the wiki users do it, but they are able to pinpoint where these vandals are coming from because some of those IP addresses have warnings on the top of their pages stating where this IP is coming from. If we can get info on how we can determine this and find a way to contact the admins for the schools, then we can seriously put a dent into this growing vandalism.--LifeStar 21:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know we can get the IP addresses of the anonymous users and track down their location. However, I just wasn't sure whether WITHIN that location (e.g.- a library) we could always track down which floor/room/computer the vandal was using. It depends on how that building has their internet set up, and whether each computer has its own unique IP address. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 22:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shocker List

I liked the list. It was creative and quite extensive. Yes, it was contrived by people...but, so what? What isn't. I say, put it back.

Well, the decision to take it off wasn't decided completely by me- it was a consensus brought about by multiple people from RfC. Furthermore, while I can see the arguments for keeping the list, two things Wikipedia is typically not are "creative" and "contrived." Wikipedia strives to be an encyclopedia, and while pop culture references are definately part of that, when something becomes more fictional than factual, it must be removed. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 18:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent, please help me

I really thank you for welcoming myself to Wikipedia some months ago. I really did a lot of work to revive the Smallville article, and now that it's on its glory, bad things started to happen. First, the traditional vandalisms and now this insane girls that insists on deleting the article no matter what. I really respect others opinion, but at least she's supposed to participate in the article's discussion about the deletion matter. Yet, she hasn't said a single word in the discussion section. I've tried to close the deletion problem three times, the first one when i thought it was a vandalism, the second one because i gave a grace period and nobody answered and finally a third one when i corrected the article believing it would change her mind. Plase ESW help me, I'd really appreciate it if you could check the article and tell me what's wrong about it: Opening Credits History of Smallville.

If you can participate in the discussion or maybe delete that deletion mark and end the discussion, I'd be grateful.

Thanx for your time --Charlie144 06:19, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for my delayed response; I was out of town for Thanksgiving and didn't have access to a computer. I have looked at your article; I understand the reason that it was nominated (it was perceived to be simply a collection of pictures and a copyright violation), however I think the article should remain, with words describing the sequences rather than pictures. I have expressed this opinion on the votes for deletion page for this article. I have also tried to direct people to the talk page for this article, where the person tagging this article should have gone in the first place. I hope I have been of some assistance, and let me know if I can do any more. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 08:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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