User talk:Cryogenator

April 2024

Hello, I'm Meters. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Kate Beckinsale, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Meters (talk) 08:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

May 2025

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Kate Beckinsale. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Don't restore your changes that have been undo. Discuss them on the talk page or leave them alone. See WP:BRD Meters (talk) 03:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Kate Beckinsale, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Meters (talk) 03:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

I will review the Manual of Style. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Kate Beckinsale. Please follow WP:BRD and take this to the article's talk page. You added this material in 2024, and multiple editors have attempted to remove it. We need to see if there is consensus to keep it. Meters (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

And you certainly should not be restoring the unsourced portions of that material. Meters (talk) 07:21, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at User talk:Meters. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Meters (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

This is a false allegation. I raised a legitimate concern about possible ideological bias. I did not make a "personal attack." I also have no conflict of interest as you've groundlessly alleged. Please discontinue these false allegations. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

You wrote: both editors who removed that section have an ideological opposition to advertising in general indicated on their pages, and one of them seems to support communism, so I think these are biased edits. These are personal attacks. Meters (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

No, they are not personal attacks. Rather, they are, as I said, legitimate concerns about ideological bias in editing. I am not attacking them for their ideological views which they are free to hold. I have not belittled them nor called for them to be banned. I have not attacked them in any way. I have simply noted that I have a good faith belief that their edits are ideologically motivated as well as unsupported by Wikipedia.

So, Meters, for the second time, I ask that you stop making false allegations, and for the third time, I ask if there is any specific Wikipedia policy against including advertising credits in an actor’s filmography. As I’ve mentioned, I searched for and did not find one.

Also, again, I note that some of the same advertisements have been included for many years at the bottom of the “Career” section, under “Modelling,” and that this has never been challenged, not even by the editors who removed the same information I included in the table I created. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

The page defining personal attacks allows for questioning “ an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic,” which is all I did. I didn’t mock them for the beliefs I perceive them to hold; I simply raised a concern that their edits may possibly be unduly motivated by those beliefs. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 21:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Again, you wrote both editors who removed that section have an ideological opposition to advertising in general indicated on their pages, and one of them seems to support communism, so I think these are biased edits. Nothing on my page has anything to do with an "ideological opposition to advertising" or to do with communism. I don't know what's on the other editor's page, but whether they are communist is irrelevant, and accusing us of bias based on this is a personal attack. Please retract that statement. Meters (talk) 05:02, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

I have never accused you of ideological bias. You are clearly neutral and attempting to mediate. The two editors who removed my addition, however, have both openly expressed an ideological opposition to advertising, and I simply noted that I believe their editing is ideologically biased as a result. This is relevant and does not constitute a personal attack.

Now, for the fourth time, I ask if there is any Wikipedia policy which specifically prohibits including performances in advertisements in an actor’s filmography for the sake of completeness. I searched for and did not find one, and I do not believe there is one since several of Beckinsale’s appearances in advertisements have been mentioned and gone unchallenged for many years under “Modelling” at the bottom of “Career” (which I did not write). ~ Cryogenator (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

There's no "policy" against it as far as I know, but that's not an argument that it should be included. We don't need to include everything that is verifiable (not that you actually did provide sources for all of this). Meters (talk) 03:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Cryogenator. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{edit COI}} template), including links or details of reliable sources that support your suggestions;
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. A large majority of your edits are to Kate Beckinsale, to Samantha Beckinsale (her sister), or to Judy Loe (her mother). This suggests a possible COI. Meters (talk) 07:28, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

I have no conflict of interest as I have zero connections of any nature to any of these people. I am simply a fan who enjoys maintaining exhaustive filmographies. ~ Cryogenator (talk) 07:47, 25 May 2025 (UTC)