... that when HNLMS Java (pictured) was sunk, her crew struggled to access the ship's life vests because the vests were locked away in a hard to reach compartment?
Source: "...Captain van Straelen gave the order to abandon ship. Initially there was no panic in the veteran crew of the Java, but that changed because of a very questionable policy; the cruiser’s life vests had been locked in a room. The room had one door, and the rush to get in and out through that one door became a panicked mob." - Page 317, Rising Sun, Falling Skies: The disastrous Java Sea Campaign of World War II by Jeffrey Cox
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by GGOTCC (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: New enough (promoted to GA status yesterday) and long enough. Article is well-written and appears neutral (my only comments would be that I think the word "Miraculously" can be removed from the second paragraph of the "Dutch East Indies Campaign" section, and in the last paragraph of the "Sinking" section I think there is a typo where the word "mod" should read as "mob"). Appears to be plagiarism-free (Earwig stands at 8.3%). Hook is OK and cited in an offline source so I'm assuming good faith in this case. I would slightly alter its wording to read as follows:
ALT1: ... that when HNLMS Java (pictured) was sunk, her crew struggled to access the ship's life vests because they were locked away in a hard to reach compartment?
Pic is freely-licensed but I don't think it would be the best choice for the main page given the lack of contrast between the ship and the sky in the B&W photo. The pic in the main infobox is much better, but since it shows the ship in its pre-1937 configuration I understand why it wasn't chosen for this nomination given that the hook relates to the ship's sinking. Perhaps File:Hr.Ms. kruiser Java (1921) in camouflagekleuren tijdens de oorlog met Japan (2158 005320).jpg can be used as an alternative, since it also shows the ship in its final configuration (but it is not currently used in the article)? Almost good to go - @GGOTCC: waiting for your thoughts on the revised hook and my other comments above. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
@Xwejnusgozo: Thank you for the input! I made the changes you mentioned, and I agree with ALT1. I was going to use that as the innitial hook, but I thought someone was going to object to the use of 'they' as the term could refer to the life vests or the sailors. Would it okay to use File:Java cruiser SLV H91.325 284.jpg instead, even though it was taken before her 1937 refit? Also, should I update the origonal hook or remake it in a reply to this convo? Best, GGOTCC 21:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
@GGOTCC: Now that you mention it I understand your point. I know it's nitpicking, but perhaps if we just change the word "they" to "these" it would avoid all ambiguity?
HNLMS Java in her original configuration
ALT1a: ... that when HNLMS Java (pictured) was sunk, her crew struggled to access the ship's life vests because these were locked away in a hard to reach compartment?
File:Java cruiser SLV H91.325 284.jpg is in the public domain so it should not be an issue to use it. Ideally a post-refit image would be better, but given that this does indeed appear to be the best available image we have and considering that the refit did not completely alter the ship's appearance I have no objection to use it. I have taken the liberty of adding it to ALT1a above, and I believe there's no need for you to update the original hook. If you have no objection to ALT1a I'll mark this as good to go. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
@Xwejnusgozo: No objections here, thanks for the help! Only thing I would mention is that the image caption could be changed to something such as, "HNLMS Java as built" or something like that. GGOTCC 23:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
Image caption updated as requested. Good to go using ALT1a above. Well done! Xwejnusgozo (talk) 23:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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New enough (promoted to GA status yesterday) and long enough. Article is well-written and appears neutral (my only comments would be that I think the word "Miraculously" can be removed from the second paragraph of the "Dutch East Indies Campaign" section, and in the last paragraph of the "Sinking" section I think there is a typo where the word "mod" should read as "mob"). Appears to be plagiarism-free (Earwig stands at 8.3%). Hook is OK and cited in an offline source so I'm assuming good faith in this case. I would slightly alter its wording to read as follows:
Image caption updated as requested. Good to go using ALT1a above. Well done! Xwejnusgozo (talk) 23:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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