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Can this image be removed for being inappropriate?

My understanding is that the first image of this article is an erotic illustration of a woman being raped. This seems a very inappropriate choice for the subject matter. I would like to see it removed or replaced Lerfound (talk) 05:39, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, imo the image helps illustrate the violence of V-Coding and the fact that it is orchestrated by several men, not merely individual and ponctuous acts. I'm open to reconsidering, obviously. Médicis (talk) 12:03, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Offensive material : "Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission encompasses the inclusion of material that may offend. (...) However, offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner. (...) should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less (...) relevant (...), and no equally suitable alternative is available." In my opinion the image remains relevant for this topic, note that I already searched for more suitable images (protests against V-Coding...) but I didn't find much. Médicis (talk) 12:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we could find another image that has the same effect while not being draw by an eroticist? Lerfound (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a better alternative? I personally do not mind the current image, and WP:NOTCENSORED applies. The image fits in an educational manner to illustrate the point, and shouldn't be removed because it may offend. Babysharkb☩ss2 I am Thou, Thou art I 15:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not perfect but may I suggest (this)[1]. I feel the illustration is less erotic and brings to mind the subject matter of the article Lerfound (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I only knew of this painting by the painter, but after seing the other paintings I understand the problem now; I don't like Lerfound's proposition much because the violence and collective rape isn't (clearly) portrayed in my opinion. I found two other paintings not drawn by an eroticist which depict collective rape by officials, which might fit the topic: (1) (2). Médicis (talk) 18:46, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

V-coding isn't about all rape trans woman experience in prisons, it's specifically about putting a trans woman in a cell with a rowdy inmate. Therefore while collective rape is applicable to the wider topic I think in the case of v-coding my illustration choice is more appropriate ~2025-38398-57 (talk) 18:51, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The definition I'm using is the Wikitionary one btw Lerfound (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What's your illustration choice Médicis (talk) 19:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's me Lerfound (talk) 19:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you argue why you think yours would be more accurate? Médicis (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because v-coding involves "pacificing" a rowdy inmate with a trans woman. Your choices don't reflect this as well because they bring to mind the concept of militaries abusing and killing woman in enemy territory instead of prison rape Lerfound (talk) 19:36, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

this "pacifing" is depicted as violent sexual assault by the media and experts, although collective rape isn't specifically deemed v-coding they're still very much intertwined, with the intent to please inmates or officials by using trans women as objects: "It is common for correctional officers to publicly strip search trans women inmates, putting their bodies on display for staff members and other inmates. Trans women in this situation are sometimes made to dance, present, or masturbate at the correctional officers' discretion"

Once again your proposed picture undermines the violence, and your argument about my proposed pictures not depicting prison rape could be also applied to yours. Médicis (talk) 20:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another solution would be to include both of our proposed images. Médicis (talk) 20:36, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your citation isn't referring to v-coding, it's referring to more general sexual mistreatment of trans woman. While I understand the desire to reflect the violence of rape your suggestions are simply too far from the specific type of prison rape that this article is about Lerfound (talk) 21:00, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Without more votes I propose not to put any picture yet. Médicis (talk) 11:14, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does this article use too broad of definition of "v-coding"

This article defines v-coding as the any systemic sexual mistreatment of incarcerated trans woman. However, Wikitionary defines it as "The placement of incarcerated trans women in cells with aggressive cisgender male inmates as a form of reward or pacification for said male inmates." A much more narrow subject matter. Should the article narrow in scope or stay as it is? Lerfound (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]