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This page about the WP:RSP essay-class page, containing quotes originating on WP:RSP and wikivoice statements based on what it claims, seems to me incompatible with WP:DUE + Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Self-references to avoid + WP:SOAP + WP:CIRC. But do others think it merits WP:AfD (articles for deletion)? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing any policy or guideline violations here, considering this is an article about Wikipedia, just like any of the other articles in Category:Wikipedia. The article content cites coverage from reliable secondary sources, and not the list itself. — Newslinger talk 08:16, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There might be potential sources under "This project page has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:" at Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Btw, I think it would be ok if we used "RSP" for "Reliable sources/Perennial sources" in the article body. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:25, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I've designated "RSP" as an alternative name in the first sentence, and replaced the full article title with RSP after the first use in the lead section and in the article body. Thank you for maintaining that {{Press}} list. — Newslinger talk 09:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:19, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page title

"Reliable sources/Perennial sources" does reflect what the literal page title is, but I am not sure people actually call it that, so much as it's an artifact of the page being a subpage. I have heard it more referred to as "RSP" or "Perennial sources" or the "Perennial sources list". Harej (talk) 21:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with changing the article title to "Perennial sources list", and I am requesting a page move below. — Newslinger talk 04:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RSP is taken, but I think that's more a insider term. RSP (Wikipedia) might be an ok redirect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 May 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Reliable sources/Perennial sources be renamed and moved to Perennial sources list.

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Reliable sources/Perennial sources → Perennial sources list – While the current article title "Reliable sources/Perennial sources" is used by some sources to refer to the article subject, it is not concise and it also has the disadvantage of looking like the actual project space page (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources) if the reader does not read the title carefully or understand how Wikipedia namespaces work.

"Perennial sources list" would be a more concise name that is just as precise as "Reliable sources/Perennial sources". "Perennial sources list" has been used as a shorter way to refer to the list by reliable sources, including a 2023 ACM conference paper, a 2025 ACM journal article, a 2024 book published by Rowman & Littlefield, Ars Technica (RSP entry), the Jewish Journal, and Windows Central. — Newslinger talk 04:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think it's an improvement (Harrison calls it "list of so-called Perennial Sources" [1]), though I'm open to hearing more suggestions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]