Talk:Non-binary

Trans

I don't believe that the statement that non binary often falls under trans should be there.

Following the logic in that sentence all nonbinary people have heterosexual sex. A large portion of them would very much not like that.

Perhaps it should say that it COULD fall under the trans umbrella 75.168.103.214 (talk) 18:03, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Speaking as a nonbinary trans person, your statement Following the logic in that sentence all nonbinary people have heterosexual sex makes no sense to me. Funcrunch (talk) 18:26, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

It is a simple fact that nonbinary often falls under the trans umbrella. The most common definition of trans is having a gender identity different from that which is typically associated with one's sex assigned at birth. By definition, that includes most nonbinary people (not all, because some nonbinary people sometimes or somewhat identify with the gender they were assumed to be at birth). The largest surveys of trans people in the U.S., the U.S. Trans Survey, reported that 35% of trans people were nonbinary in 2015 and 38% of trans people were nonbinary in 2022. Your comment about heterosexual sex is completely nonsensical. Being trans relates solely to the relationship between your gender identity (if any) and your sex assigned at birth; it has nothing to do with what sort of sex you have (if any). RadicalCopyeditor (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

I think what IP is trying to say is that they would be cisgender, and referring to sex as in assigned sex at birth. Wording is a little confusing though. 🫀 Crash // Organhaver (talk to me, maybe?) 16:39, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Expanding "terms and definitions" section

As evidenced by how contentious it continues to be that genderqueer and non-binary are treated as flat synonyms by this page, I'm advocating for the expansion of the "terms and definitions" section to better explain the origins and initial meaning of genderqueer, the fact that non-binary came into prominence later, and the different connotations the two terms sometimes have. I think this will significantly help avoid confusion on the part of readers and address the frustrations of those who want to go back to having separate pages for genderqueer and non-binary. I'm going to make edits along these lines and I welcome input. RadicalCopyeditor (talk) 14:28, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2025

Please edit the section which says this: “Other related umbrella terms include gender nonconforming, gender expansive, and gender diverse. Gender nonconforming usually refers to those whose gender expression does not match masculine or feminine gender norms, but it has been alternately used in some contexts (particularly prior to the widespread use of non-binary) to refer to people whose gender identities do not match binary gender norms.”

To say this: “ Other related ‘umbrella terms’ include gender-nonconforming, gender-expansive, gender-variant, gender-creative, and gender-diverse… but it is also true that other variations on similar themes emerge and are adopted as preference by the very people referred to by such terms.

‘Gender nonconforming’ usually refers to those whose gender expression does not match masculine or feminine gender norms common in the geographic region or cultural demographic, but it has been alternately used in some contexts (particularly prior to the widespread use of non-binary aka “ENBY”) to refer to those who experience their gender identities as fluid or more broadly encompassing than divided ‘this OR that’ (BINARY) gender norms.

A notable CAUTION for parents and other adults: Because it may be misunderstood as implying a pattern of rebellious behaviour, it is GOOD PRACTICE to avoid labelling or referring to a young person as (GENDER) “NON-CONFORMING” . . . [unless they prefer and invite you to use that terminology regarding them.] It’s BEST PRACTICE to follow the young person’s lead with regard to their identity labels, and any ‘chosen pronouns’. Ask, don’t assume. 2607:FEA8:8540:2B00:5165:D0C8:CE5F:5B20 (talk) 00:21, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I added "gender-variant, gender-creative", but I didnt add the rest as it doesn’t fit the style of wikipedia. Pencilceaser123 (talk) 00:30, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

You should not have. The change was not supported by WP:RS and thus certainly not WP:Notable.

 Undone: This request has been undone.

The requester may rephrase their request in line with guidelines and provide reliable sources, obviously, but Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Happy editing,

Slomo666 (talk) 01:19, 23 October 2025 (UTC)