Talk:Hallmark

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Should direct elswere

Hey i think this page should re-direct to Hallmark, the card company. I think ppl are more likely to be looking for the company thn the precius metal stamp. what do u think? Paco8191 23:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something Useful

something that would be useful to include in this article would be a table of date codes, or something similar. I found a website which lists these; but I do not know haw to make tables, so I would apreciate it if someone else could do it for me and tell me how to make tables please

thanks Stwalkerster 16:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

dictionary quote

Anyone else think this looks a bit sloppy?

Merriam-Webster also defines the metaphorical use of hallmark as: "a distinguishing characteristic, trait, or feature <the dramatic flourishes which are the hallmark of the trial lawyer — Marion K. Sanders>".

For one thing, I don't think people using 'hallmark' in this sense are using markings on metal objects as a metaphor- They're just using the term in another, also well-established sense. For another, why quote Webster's dictionary (and Marion Saunders?)--Eloil 20:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

replaced websters link w/ wiktionary. --Eloil 21:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Responsibility marks

Responsibility marks are mentioned but not well-explained nor illustrated. -- Beland 15:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Byzantium

Older than France here in the history section? Ie Byzantine system oldest in Europe.Eugene-elgato (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Setting up WikiProject Silverware?

Would anyone be interested in helping to set up a WikiProject Silverware? I'm interested in salvers, coffee pots, jugs, candlesticks, famous silversmiths, different styles, etc. Thanks. Girlwithgreeneyes (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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On "lots" as a fineness measure for silver

There is a "clarification needed" marker on the phrase "12 to 13 lots (75% to 81%) for silver."

An explanation is provided on page 493 of "Medieval Latin: An Introduction and Bibliographical Guide" (Frank Anthony Carl Mantello, A. G. Rigg, editors): "... in Germany pure silver was said to be 16 lots (lotions) fine." Under that system, silver of "12 lots fineness" would be 75% elemental silver and 25% other metals.

I wonder if this information should be added to the entry on Fineness?

Mcavalletto (talk) 04:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Hallmarks / Switzerland / Swiss Watch Hallmarks

The information in this image

Watch cases hallmarks

conflicts with that found at swisshallmarks.com (which links to the authoritative version at the Swiss Federal department of Precious Metal Control: https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/topics/precious-metal-control/official-controlling-and-hallmarking.html).

That image shows:

Unless there is objection, I will remove the undocumented sourceless version of this image and replace it with the official document.

The version of the image that currently appears looks to me to be "correct," but I cannot find a source for it and it is listed as "own work." The version at swisshallmarks matches exactly that which is found in the pdf from Precious Metal Control.

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External-link proposal: Antique Jewellers “Hallmark Finder”

Conflict of interest statement: I am affiliated with Antique Jewellers, which hosts the tool below.

Because of that COI I will not add the link myself; I’m only asking uninvolved editors to evaluate it.

Tool description

URL – https://antiquejewellers.com/hallmark-finder
Free to use, no login required.
Interactive wizard: reader clicks the symbols they see and gets a plain-English explanation.
Covers gold and platinum fineness marks.
Date-letter tables run 1700 – present.
Includes seven historic and active UK assay offices, including closed offices such as Chester, Glasgow and York.
Covers import marks for UK offices
Mobile-responsive (works on phones and tablets).

Why it may help readers

Feature / issue	Gold-Traders wizard (current link)	Hallmark Finder
Mobile layout	Fixed-width – difficult on mobile and tablet screens. Small images are hard to compare against.	Fully responsive, with high-definition images.
Metal coverage	Gold only.	Gold and platinum (e.g. 850 / 900 / 950 / 999).
Date-letter range	Mainly 19th–20th century.	1700 – 2025.
Tool bugs	The tool often returns incorrect options, for example: Office: Click the first image “Leopard’s head” Fineness: Click the first image, “9 375" Letter: Click the first letter, “A” Returns list of stamps including letters N / L / T / A (incorrect as the user selected "A", and the result only shows one "A" amongst other unselected letters, when it should show six A options) †	Returns accurate list of A letters which used that assay office stamp, that fineness stamp, and the letter A. Assay office stamp 1822-present, fineness stamp 1854-1974, letter stamps all A (1856, 1876, 1896, 1916, 1936, 1956)
Tool Accuracy	The fineness stage lists all finenesses for all offices, regardless of which office you selected. For example, when selecting the leopard's head for London, you see the "18 and thistle", which is only used by the Edinburgh office. The letters list all letters of the alphabet, regardless of previous choices for assay office and fineness. Where one fineness has different symbols depending on the office, a generic symbol has been used that covers most, but not all, of them.†	A selection of assay office means fineness symbols are selected directly based on the assay office stamp selected, and the years in which that assay office stamp was used. A selection of fineness means letters are offered based on the restricted year range during which both the selected assay office stamp and selected fineness were used.
Completeness	Only one assay office stamp is present for each office, despite offices changing stamps over the years. Assay office stamps used to denote foreign imports assayed by the offices are missing. More rare UK fineness stamps, like the star symbol used by London from 1816-1843 are missing.	Assay office stamps are shown for UK and imports, including variations of UK stamps, like the crowned leopard used from 1716 to 1822, are present. Import assay office stamps are present. Rarer fineness stamps, such as the star symbol, are present.

† Tested 9 Jun 2025, desktop Chrome 126.0.6428.4

Commercial-site concern (WP:ELNO #5)

The page sits inside a retail domain, so I understand the “primarily exists to sell” question.

The hallmark-finder page itself shows only basic header branding plus some footer service blurbs far deeper down beneath the tool; there are no product listings, sales calls to actions, or checkout forms in the body.

Suggested options (happy with whichever gains consensus)

Replace Gold-Traders if one wizard is preferred (given the issues listed above).
Add Hallmark Finder above Gold-Traders – complementary coverage.
Remove Gold-Traders if it also fails for the same reasons.

Comments welcome—thank you for considering!

—JewelleryHistory (talk) 07:17, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fancy Refrigerator: Hi - you reverted my external-link edit on 8 June, I've since reviewed the rules and I believe it's an appropriate edit, and am offering it here as a proposed change. Could you review the proposal above? Thanks!

JewelleryHistory (talk) 14:41, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JewelleryHistory. Hi. I'm happy to let an uninvolved editor review the proposed change. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 11:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s been a week since I raised this, and 4 days since I pinged the reverter, with no replies or objections. As I have a COI and will not edit the article directly, I would be grateful if an uninvolved editor could implement the change. Thank you! JewelleryHistory (talk) 10:47, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey this all seems fine, there doesn't seem to be a problem with the information, just no one's monitoring the talk page? I'll update if no one else has any comment. Quicksand24 (talk) 00:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]