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On 9 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Mohammed al-Bashir government. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Many ministries for one minister?

Why do some some ministers have the names of two ministries next to them? I could not find sources saying that there's a minister that's holding two ministries at the same time. Why are they written like that here?

- RamiPat (talk) 11:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can remove them 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Marxsafe:

you reverted the edits, can I know based on what sources did you keep those ministries under those ministers?

- RamiPat (talk) 16:24, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Old members of the Syrian Transitional Government.

I think we should add in the member part of the page, a template with old members that had offices in the Syrian Transitional Government, what do you all think about that? 77.183.98.84 (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added a To column. There's no point trying to make separate tables. We can use rowspan when ministers can replaced, possibly also with colspan to make it easier to see the separate ministers, as in Council of Ministers of Abiy Ahmed#Members, for example. Edit and look without saving to see the source text. See also Help:Table.

I'm not aware of any ministers who have been replaced, so currently there's no more than one minister-period per ministry. Boud (talk) 22:08, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political Parties

Since the HTS was abolished on 29 January 2025, does that mean that all members of the cabinet are now considered independent?

- RamiPat (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any justification in removing the [[...|HTS]] intrawiki links. The table is for an encyclopedia, which covers periods of time; it's not a news bulletin, that aims to describe "now". We could put in a citation using a WP:REFGROUP type reference group that states, with a source, that HTS was formally dissolved on 29 Jan 2025. If any of them join a new political party/military group, per WP:RS, then we add the new party group, and add the extra references in the references column. If some of them end up having complicated affiliation histories (e.g. HTS, then ABC, then DEF, then GHI), I think that this table is not the place to give details - just listing them [[...|HTS]], [[ABC]], [[DEF]], [[GHI]] and adding the references should be enough. The changes should be described in prose if relevant to the Cabinet evolution as a whole, and/or in the individual's Wikipedia entry, where anyone interested in his/her military/political affiliation history would tend to expect to find those details. Boud (talk) 17:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK the HTS as a political org is still there and only the armed wing got dissolved 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 17:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only the militant group has been dissolved not the political coalition Waleed (talk) 22:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedoxm 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 06:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are these included?

The positions of "Director of the General Intelligence Service" and "Director of the General Directorate of Customs" are included in the "Members" section.. should they be included? I mean is that section listing the cabinet or the heads of the main government bodies? RamiPat (talk) 14:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The table doesn't say anything about listing the members of the cabinet only 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 14:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thank you for the clarification RamiPat (talk) 21:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Date formed

Is written as 8 December 2024, but isn't it supposed to be 10 December 2024? According to the sources in the article itself. RamiPat (talk) 21:23, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Name change to first transnational government

There is now a new transnational government with a Wikipedia page called ‘second’. Jobfr (talk) 23:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen and RamiPat: You should split like Interim government of Muhammad Yunus and Yunus ministry or Provisional Government of the French Republic. Panam2014 (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneEdgar: what do you think? Panam2014 (talk) 15:00, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any opinion @Freedoxm: ? Panam2014 (talk) 00:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. But thanks for pinging. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk · contribs) 00:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 April 2025

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First Syrian transitional government → Syrian caretaker government – see reply. RamiPat (talk) 09:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC) ==[reply]

This may be a complicated one but I did my best.

To ensure clarity, I will refer to the government formed on 10 December 2024—referred to on Wikipedia as the "First Syrian transitional government"—as the "December government.".

And the government formed on 29 March 2025—referred to on Wikipedia as the "Second Syrian transitional government"—as the "March government."

It appears that Wikipedia is the only platforms (or one of the few) that refers to the March government as the "Second" transitional government.

Upon reviewing multiple sources, it seems like many described the December government as a "transitional government". However, outlets such as Syria TV ,^[1] CNN,^[2]^[a] and Euronews,^[3]^[b] referred to the March government as "Syria’s first government post-Assad" or "Syria's first transitional government".

Additionally, during the swearing-in ceremony of the March government, display screens at the presidential palace in Damascus featured short biographies of the new ministers.^[4] These biographies described those who had previously served in the December government as having held their roles in a "caretaker government" formed after the fall of the Assad regime (like Abu Qasra, al-Shaibani, Khattab, and al-Bashir himself. It said "حكومة تصريف الأعمال" (English: Caretaker government).

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References

^ "تعرّف إلى السير الذاتية لوزراء أول حكومة سورية بعد سقوط نظام الأسد" [Learn about the biographies of ministers in Syria's first government after the fall of the Assad regime]. Syria TV (in Arabic). 30 March 2025.
^ "Syria swears in new transitional government months after Assad's removal". CNN. 30 March 2025.
^ "Syria swears in new transitional government on the eve of Eid-al-Fitr". Euronews. 30 March 2025.
^ "محمد يسر برنية وزير المالية.. معلومات عنه" [Mohammed Yusr Barniyeh, Minister of Finance.. Information about him]. Yanba7 (in Arabic). 29 March 2025. Archived from the original on 5 April 2025.

Notes

^ Called the December government as "Interim Government", which if used on Wikipedia may cause confusion with the Syrian Interim Government.
^ Called the December government as "Interim Government", which if used on Wikipedia may cause confusion with the Syrian Interim Government.

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RamiPat (talk) 09:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "تعرّف إلى السير الذاتية لوزراء أول حكومة سورية بعد سقوط نظام الأسد" [Learn about the biographies of ministers in Syria's first government after the fall of the Assad regime]. Syria TV (in Arabic). 30 March 2025.

[2] "Syria swears in new transitional government months after Assad's removal". CNN. 30 March 2025.

[4] "Syria swears in new transitional government on the eve of Eid-al-Fitr". Euronews. 30 March 2025.

[6] "محمد يسر برنية وزير المالية.. معلومات عنه" [Mohammed Yusr Barniyeh, Minister of Finance.. Information about him]. Yanba7 (in Arabic). 29 March 2025. Archived from the original on 5 April 2025.

[3] Called the December government as "Interim Government", which if used on Wikipedia may cause confusion with the Syrian Interim Government.

[5] Called the December government as "Interim Government", which if used on Wikipedia may cause confusion with the Syrian Interim Government.

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