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Naomi Betts and Liz Gallagher https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/03/wiltshire-community-heroes-travel-on-gwr-train-named-in-their-honour.html 109.150.49.198 (talk) 21:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 stabbing incident

Just to be clear the rationale for removing the 2025 stabbing incident from this article is simple - the train itself wasn't involved in the incident, the incident took place on the train. The train wasn't the cause of the incident, the train wasn't damaged in the incident. It may be relevant in the LNER article, but the fact it took place on a 800 is irrelevant. Also of course WP:NOTNEWS. 10mmsocket (talk) 13:47, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree here - it is a newsworthy event, but isn't relevant to the article. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 13:53, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For comparison, a similar incident on the New Guildford Line is dealt with on that page Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the murder on a class 220 is mentioned in the class 220 Wikipedia article in incidents and accidents therefore this should be included on this article. PeranWMedia (talk) 07:52, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is equally irrelevant there. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:58, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then I would argue we should be removing that from the 220 article. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 08:06, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To add contrast - none of the 1976 West Ham attack, or the 7 July 2007 / 21 July 2005 / Parsons Green bombings on the London Underground are mentioned in the corresponding train articles, nor in the Dennis bus article for 7 July. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:31, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(saw WikiProject notification) I agree that the stabbing incident is irrelevant to the model of train - unless of course you can find a reliable secondary source that says otherwise. I don't see articles about things that are not types of vehicle as relevant comparisons to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 3 November 2025 (UTC) ps: I've left a notification about this discussion at Talk:2025 Cambridgeshire train stabbing#Discussion about including a mention of this incident in the British Rail Class 800 article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to reiterate that we had another incident on UK's railways occurring two days (or should I say, 36 hours) after this one: 2025 Shap derailment. Its included at Class 390 because the train hit a landslide and was damaged in the process. I could argue that here, the train isn't damaged but would need to be taken out of service for a long time and to do a thorough clean, maybe even replacing the seats/carpets. JuniperChill (talk) 12:47, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On the flip side however, the fact that the stabbing incident involved a class 800 is arguably completely irrelevant - it could have involved an 801, it could have been an IC225, heck it could have been a pacer, and it wouldn't really have made a difference. It could of course have changed the outcome if it was a pacer, and then it would be worth including in the pacer article... I just don't see how it's relevant that this happened to occur on a class 800? The counter point you make is valid - the Shap derailment was a class 390, but in that case it's arguably relevant that it was that train, since it was actually a collision/derailment of the train itself. But a numpty running rampage with a knife could have been any train. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 12:50, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Danners. Without having read much about the Shap derailment yet, the crashworthiness and physical characteristics of the Class 390 are clearly at least plausibly relevant to the incident. The same cannot be said of the stabbing incident - unless we have some reliable source to indicate otherwise it seems unlikely that the type of train played any role in the incident. Thryduulf (talk) 12:53, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue the meaning on accident would apply to Physical damage to a train and incident meaning Anything that happens on board that resulted in The train being out of service.

In this case as 800111 will need to have carpets and seat coverings/Foams replaced I would argue that this particular incident is relevant to be Added to this article. PeranWMedia (talk) 20:09, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Carpets and seat coverings get replaced because of vandalism and wear and tear… we don't cover those do we? Danners430 _{tweaks made} 20:26, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should we add details of when a specific train was out of service for a long time (say longer than a month) but not written off, provided that reliable sources have said it, or would it be WP:UNDUE weight? Of course, the Central line is being refurbished, but it makes sense to cover it because the interior is overhauled, replacing seats, the floor, new passenger displays and even the motors. None of this was due to an incident, vandalism or wear and tear. Also, EMR and XC are in the process of refurbishing their trains. JuniperChill (talk) 22:17, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As @JuniperChill says, we could reconsider a mention should reliable sources show that the unit involved is taken out of service for a long time. But I too think it is WP:UNDUE and also WP:NOTNEWS 10mmsocket (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something. If the perp had somehow used part of the train as a weapon (say, by wrenching the armrest off a seat), it could be argued that the train was a factor (substandard design of the armrest hinge). But as far as news reports indicate, he arrived already armed, and so the type of train is mere happenstance. As an aside, I travelled on two Class 80x yesterday (800313 from Didcot to Plymouth and 802101 from Bristol to Didcot) and AFAIK no violence ensued. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note that there's now a very, very similar dispute at Talk:British Rail Class 220#Murder on the Voyager Express. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 15:43, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add On the Evening of 1 November 2025, 10 passengers were Stabbed on board 800111 as the train travelled between Peterborough and Huntingdon whilst working the Doncaster to London Kings Cross service. To accidents and incidents in line with previous incidents where a passenger was murdered on a class 220 and that is on the Wikipedia page for it. PeranWMedia (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note - this is being discussed above per the dispute resolution process Danners430 _{tweaks made} 08:05, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit protected}} template. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:16, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]