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Hand of Irulegi - Earliest Basque inscription

An interesting discovery was made in January 2022, but only reported today, stating that the earliest inscription in Basque has been dated to the first century B.C., and speculates on potential connections to the Iberian language. Culloty82 (talk) 20:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Culloty82 (talk) 20:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hm yes, it's an important find but I think, given we can't read most of it and only have a single word that admittedly looks a lot like a Basque word, it's a bit premature to call this a Basque text. The state we're at, for all we know it may be a Basque loanword in Iberian (think of how the word benedictus has made it into languages like Irish in the form of beannacht in the wake of Christianity. Akerbeltz (talk) 22:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Neolithic

Can any linguist bet his head that the ancestor of Basque language was present in Western Europe before Late Neolithic? "Late Neolithic and later are IE times" is not a linguistic arguement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.249.44.2 (talk) 06:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Is this related to anything that is currently mentioned in the article or that needs to be added to it? Otherwise, please see WP:NOTFORUM. –Austronesier (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Video is messed up

The "Euskara iparraldean" video in the "Demographics" section loses sound about a minute in. It might be a poor recording or it might be fixable, but that's beyond my humble skill. Anyone who knows anything about these sort of things should take a look at it. Gamle Kvitrafn (talk) 18:47, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

It plays fine for me all the way through, maybe you were on a slow connection and had a buffering issue? Akerbeltz (talk) 11:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems ok to me. In the last minute the sound does drop down somewhat and sounds like it's off in the distance compared to the first part of the tape - but still totally audible. It may be that if the sound on the device you're using is not strong that bit may be problematic. DeCausa (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Map not supported by source?

The map made and added by user User:Enekorga [1] is very helpful indeed for an overview of where Basque is spoken and where the strongholds of the language are. For all the municipalities on the Spanish side, everything seems entirely accurate. Enekorga provides the sources, and they detail the how many speak Basque per municipality. Big thanks to Enekorga for creating a map to show all data! My concern is with Iparralde, the French side. The source given was a telephone survey that did give indications of language use for Lapurdi, Behe Nafarroa and Zuberroa - but despite going through it in detail, I can find no data per municipality nor even any indication that such was collected. As the map is so useful, I hope we can keep it. That would require a source of the data from Iparralde actually containing the data used. If Enekorga or anyone else know of such a source and can add it, that's great. In the absence of such a source, the map might be seen to violate WP:OR. Rather than tagging it, not to mention removing it (neither of which I want), I hope we can simply find and add the proper source. (Apart from Enekorga, also tagging User:Akerbeltz, User:Austronesier, User:Ksarasola and User:DeCausa (active contributors) as it's my wish to find a source to keep the very useful map in the article). Jeppiz (talk) 12:36, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

My guess is that Enekorga has access to the raw data. I have a copy of the 2nd Linguistic Survey of the Basque Country (I think the last one where they published both a short and a long version) and it has down-to-the-district data. It may just be that Enekorga wasn't entirely sure how to reference a data source that isn't published? Not sure I would know how to reference that myself :) Akerbeltz (talk) 16:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Surely, an unpublished source shouldn't be referenced. It won't be WP:RS. DeCausa (talk) 18:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Akerbeltz, it's possible Enekorga has raw data, but as DeCausa already wrote, that would not meet WP:RS. The data should be verifiable, and at the moment it is not. I really hope Enekorga (or anyone else) can provide the data so we can keep the map. There's no hurry, but in the absence of any source/data in the next few days, the correct procedure will be remove the map pending data to support it. Jeppiz (talk) 20:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

PS I left a comment on Enekorga's page on Basque wikipedia about this discussion [2] Jeppiz (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi everybody,

the data for Iparralde does come from the cited source. The precise document I used was actually online, but I guess it must not be accessible anymore. Still, there is this tool created by Udalbiltza called Euskal Herriari Begira which takes back the same data from the Office public de la langue basque and is actually available online as of today, in case that would suit you.

The website does not show exclusively that data, there is a lot more about various topics. The one I am referring to is named Euskararen ezagutza tasa (%) and is found under Tokiko nortasunaren bizitasuna. However, I must warn you that the scale used for the displayed map is somewhat different to the one used on my map, since I decided to use the same scale of the precedent map. Still, the numeric data, which I think is the thing that you are more interested in, can also be found on the website.

I hope this helps. Enekorga (talk) 18:41, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Milesker ainitz, that is very helpful. Thanks again for your great contributions to Wikipedia! Jeppiz (talk) 00:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

2021 Sociolinguistic Survey results

I cannot read Basque, but it appears 680,629 (36.2%) of population in the Basque Autonomous Community claim to speak Basque, with a further 18% stating they are passive speakers:

https://www.argia.eus/fitxategiak/ckfinder/files/VII_INKESTA_SOZIOLINGUISTIKOA_laburpena.pdf Culloty82 (talk) 12:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)