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Philippine Hot 100

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Hi! Can someone edit the article for the PH Hot 100? The chart was revived last week, dated July 6.

https://billboardphilippines.com/chart/ Deibu2007 (talk) 08:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Deibu2007: While, in principle, I see no reason why we can't revive the automatic referencing to Philippines Hot 100, I don't see an easy way to make it backwards compatible. The old referencing used an idiosyncratic format where, for example, you would use |date=november-13 to reference the November 13, 2017 chart, which is archived here. The new referencing method requires |date=07-06-2024 to reference the July 6, 2024 chart. As you can see, it may be difficult to identify which chart to use from the parameter alone.
The best solution is to archive all usage of Philippines and then use this code exclusively for the revived chart. This would probably require bot assistance and take some time. A simpler and more immediate solution is to introduce a new code, Philippines2, for the revived chart. Muhandes (talk) 10:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for replying! Is there any work that I can do to make the chart work again, since I still don't know how some things work here? Deibu2007 (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Deibu2007: I can't think of anything. At this point we wait a few days to see if anyone has anything to add to the discussion. Muhandes (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Deibu2007: Per your request I implemented Philippines2 in the sandbox and you can see the result here. After I implemented it, I did some more testing, and realized the same data can some times be accessed, like all other Billboard charts, through the artist history page, e.g. Sabrina Carpenter or Tommy Richman. I'm not really sure what to do with this information, so let's see if anyone is interested in this at all. --Muhandes (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Deibu2007: It seems like there is no interest in further investing in this, so I implemented Philippines2 for the relaunched chart using |date=. This is now  Done. Muhandes (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! Deibu2007 (talk) 01:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Muhandes, I think this identifier is in error. I just used it on "Push 2 Start". For the date, I used mf (01-04-2025), but the ref says "Philippines Hot 100 for week of 1 April 2025" instead of "… week of 4 January 2025". Oh and I think it should also be in mf everywhere just like on the website. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 12:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dxneo: It's strange that no one noticed this until now—perhaps it wasn’t used very often. It seems the {{date}} template doesn’t accept the MM-DD-YYYY format. I used a workaround to fix it. I hope this template burns in hell. Muhandes (talk) 16:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Wouldn't it be better to use https://www.billboard.com/artist/Artist/chart-history/PHS instead of the date? Rangel's Version (talk) 02:53, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rangel's Version: I already suggested this about five responses above. Muhandes (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suriname charts

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Hello Muhandes, not sure if you are familiar with the Nationale Top 40 Suriname charts. However, according to this revision, the charts are unreliable? I just checked WP:Record charts for websites to avoid and it wasn't listed and it wasn't listed. They got archives and so on, I was just wondering if it is usable or not. dxneo (talk) 17:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is the first time I hear about these, so I have nothing to contribute. I think the editor who did the revert is the one you should discuss it with. Muhandes (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Coolmarc. dxneo (talk) 21:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's been discussed on the talk page of Wikipedia:Record charts. The chart has an unclear methodology and includes "social media trends". Cool Marc ✉ 19:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I couldn't find a thorough discussion anywhere, just this. I have seen a chart published via social media before, Radiomonitor Türkiye (example). Maybe the editor who added the chart can enlighten us since they seem have to have a way of tracking charts, according to their contributions. dxneo (talk) 19:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you didn't check the archive properly. See here Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 20#Suriname. According to the chart's website about us page, it says the chart is based on radio airplay and "social media trends" but doesn't state which radio stations. It could be a WP:SINGLENETWORK for all we know with the unclear methodology and "social media trends" is a no-go. See recent discussions on Wikipedia talk:Record charts regarding the Dutch TipParade. This discussion should be had on that talk page and not on the talk page of a Wikipedia template. Cool Marc ✉ 19:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Coolmarc and Dxneo: Given the above, is there any reason not to add it to WP:BADCHARTS? Muhandes (talk) 08:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't think so. A thorough analysis must be performed first. Sorry for the late reply. dxneo (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was already added by Coolmarc on 18 January. Muhandes (talk) 07:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hot Dance/Pop Songs

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Tested the addition of new chart Hot Dance/Pop Songs in the sandbox and all appears to be in good working order. Can this be added to the template? Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:20, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars  Done Please update the documentation page. Muhandes (talk) 15:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorry if I'm late to the party, but the links to Australia, New Zealand and Sweden's charts are all dead. ItsNotGoingToHappen (talk) 13:17, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ItsNotGoingToHappen: They seem alive to me. Probably temporary downtime. Muhandes (talk) 16:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All links are still down for me. In fact, every Hung Median page is not accessible for me. Flabshoe1 (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All those pages are up for me, so I suggest you check with your ISP. You can verify the page is up with https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/australian-charts.com Muhandes (talk) 07:56, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

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Replace the link to Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique (a redirect) with a direct link to SNEP (the actual article). ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Muhandes (talk) 13:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Could you do the same at Template:Album chart as per request? ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 16:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hot Latin genre charts

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Tested, I also updated the names of the airplay-only Latin genre charts charts. Can these be added to the template? Erick (talk) 17:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Magiciandude You did not sync before editing so your edit undos some previous edits, see Special:Diff/1279941821/1284941429. Can you please redo this properly? Muhandes (talk) 07:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, forget it, I did that myself.  Done. Please update the doc page. --Muhandes (talk) 07:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't excuse your French

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Please change "Les classement single" → "Les classements de singles" and "Les classement de telechargement single" → "Les classements des téléchargements de singles".
Or, even better, just write that in English.
P. S. No, I can't pardon your French. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection: I have exactly zero (or is it zéro?) knowledge in French, so I'm going to take your word for it.  Done --Muhandes (talk) 17:53, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Muhandes: Thank you very much!!! Btw, sorry for the joke, but I couldn't resist. :-)
I, too, am not fluent in French. But this particular time my version looks "perfect" to me. I have also found similar phrasings in reliable sources. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moscow Connection: I didn't author this template, so even if I wanted to, I have no reason to be offended. But if you start telling jokes about {{certification Table Entry}}, I may have to challenge you to a duel. Muhandes (talk) 18:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Muhandes: Oops, I've just understood that since we are talking about just one chart, it should be "Le classement de singles" and "Le classement des téléchargements de singles". Change it again, please. I hope the Wikipedia servers will be able to handle this.
Here is the prove it is correct French:
• https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Le+classement+de+singles%22;
• https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Le+classement+des+t%C3%A9l%C3%A9chargements+de+singles%22.
In plural ("Les classements"), it was grammatically correct too. But the way the phrases are used in the references, they imply just one chart. So please change to singular. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:39, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is just when I originally saw the references say "Les classement", without "s", I thought someone meant "Les classements", in plural. That's what I came here to correct. "Les classements" is correct, and "Le classement" is correct. But the latter is better, cause the references imply just one chart and not "French charts in general". --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moscow Connection: Well, this is all French to me.  Done Muhandes (talk) 19:38, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much! --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tracking category for unknown chart param value?

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It seems like it would be useful to have such a category, to track incorrect fills in 1=, since it can't be easily done now. Just having a category on line 426 in the code would work.

+ also few minor fixes:

  • Billboardglobal200 is listed twice
  • "Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles" should be replaced to "Bubbling Under Hot 100" being the actual chart name and the article's title
  • Hot 100 Airplay (Radio Songs) -> Radio Songs (chart)
  • Christian Songs -> Hot Christian Songs
  • [[Dance/Electronic Songs|Hot Dance/Electronic Songs]] -> [[Hot Dance/Electronic Songs]]
  • [[Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay|R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay]] -> [[R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay]]; (Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay) -> (R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay)
  • Might be also worth changing "Japan Hot 100" to "Billboard Japan Hot 100" as it's actual chart name (and the article title) and to clearly distinguish the chart from Orion.
  • "German" value is no longer used anywhere [1] and may be removed from the code.
  • "UKchartstats" value also no longer used anywhere [2] and may be removed from the code.

Solidest (talk) 21:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done: [3] Solidest (talk) 23:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC) UPD: Took out alias removal for now for a separate discussion, leaving only what shouldn't cause any questions. Solidest (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Muhandes (talk) 18:42, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of unused aliases?

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There are many aliases of chart values in the template that are not used anywhere. At the moment there are 200 variants of chart entries in total. 138 of them are unique. 62 aliases. 39 aliases have no uses (their categories don't exist or are empty). Is there any practical use in keeping the variability? It seems to me that in conditions when we track the usage of each by distinct category, it makes no sense to multiply aliases. As with template parameters, they should be gradually cleaned and removed from the code. Here's the full list with an empty categories of actual aliases with original name through the dash:

Of the whole list, I only have questions about Orion(2) vs Japan(2), where it would probably be better to use Japan for consistency. But probably if it was really needed, it would have been done with AWB by now. Solidest (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, there are also a few aliases that have not so many uses, so they too could be replaced by the main version and removed if needed.
Solidest (talk) 02:55, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've cleaned up all of the above by changing to the prevailing variants so that they can be removed as well. And for the sake of completeness, here are all the other remaining aliases that are still in use (paired with the alternative version):
Some of them are not used that often, but it seems that in some cases it is better to go for the variant with the least number of uses (as in the case of Belgium) as it is more accurate and standardised. I think this is worth discussing separately if needed, but for now I suggest to remove only the completely unused ones. Solidest (talk) 13:07, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Solidest: I don't see why anyone would object. Most of these are just from the demonym, which I would rather be consistent and remove. I suggest you go ahead and implement in the sandbox. Muhandes (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, agree with that. Done - [4]. Removed all the unused ones, sorted the remaining aliases so that the main one goes first. And also did minor corrections to the formatting of spaces (so now it looks similar to the "album chart" code). Solidest (talk) 21:44, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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