Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZTreeWin

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. the nominator asked to withdraw; the page has been improved since its nomination (non-admin closure) Cinder painter (talk) 13:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ZTreeWin

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Nommed for PRODDEL in 2010 for "No evidence of notability. No references given." Tag removed. It's been 15 years and there's still no significant coverage. Article reads like an advertisement. Rcfische2 (talk) 05:41, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Rcfische2 (talk) 05:41, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a renomination, previous AFD was Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Altap_Salamander. Rcfische2 (talk) 05:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete googling does not lead me to believe there is something notable here

Czarking0 (talk) 06:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Unable to find WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. There's like a couple sentences in one PCMag issue and that's the best I could find. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:14, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question. Wikipedia only exists for current events/products? I see there is a page for Xtree, a product that has been dead for decades. ZTree is the replacement and is currently available and supported in all modern versions of Windows. IBMJunkman (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, old and even obscure software has its place here. I'm not going to advocate for deleting say Atari DOS, because it has significant coverage, even though it's over twice my age. XTree has significant coverage as well. I can search for it in archives of InfoWorld and PC Mag and see that it's a piece of software which was very relevant in its time. When I look at ZTreeWin, I see an article basically unchanged since 2005 with no sources to establish its use. I've personally got no vendetta against this software, but it's important to remove articles that don't follow notability guidelines because consistently applying them stops Wikipedia from becoming a free ad agency for every software company on Earth.

Rcfische2 (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retain. I know it is a very less notable program, but it is the only alternative to XTree. So, i think it can stay, even if it has like... 1 ref. Therefore, it has a community (as i read the previous discussions on this page), which i think it is important. I do not think it does need to be deleted, but the {notability} tag can stay.

Dimitrie569 (Talk) 18:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Retain. [Please be tolerant--I'm a newbie to editing but a many-times-a-day Wikipedia user for many years. My most recent Wikipedia edit was about 10 years ago (now apparently lost). Conflict of interest: I've been a ZtreeWin user for many years.] I agree that "notability" is the issue. "Notability", of course, is a judgement call. I also agree that Wikipedia shouldn't be a free ad agency ... for anybody, let alone "every software company on Earth." And I agree the article is poorly written. But: ZtreeWin is, right now, a valuable app for a small-but-enthusiastic niche group of users who are quite active and who communicate at https://groups.io/g/ZtreeWin. But ZtreeWin users don't "publish" articles that would justify a decision of "notable". (I'm a retired professor; is this another case of "publish or perish"?) ZtreeWin has not changed significantly in years and probably won't change--it just works. Gee, I wish that were true of many of the other apps I use that are unquestionably "notable", but also "notorious" for buggy updates and frequent hacks. If (1) the Wikipedia editors decide to retain the article, and (2) someone suggests that I do it, and (3) I can get a bit of mentoring to push me in the right direction then I will volunteer to edit and improve the article. (For example, while ZtreeWin runs beautifully under Windows 10 (soon to be extinct), there are issues and solutions for running it under Windows 11. The article should mention these issues and give links to web sites with solutions. And, of course, it shouldn't read like an ad.) I can't do anything about "notability" except to note that ZtreeWin is "truly notable" to a relatively small number of avid users--but I'm not going to publish an article somewhere that would be a credible source that documents that "notability" and thereby save this Wikipedia article. Prof.Ron1702 (talk) 17:04, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retain the article needs more information to note why it is of significance. I have added a Historical Significance section and it could do with improvements so please add more. I have also changed some of the technical terms like "logging" which referred to refreshing the file list. Please helo to improve this page by adding and improving the current content GrandPoohBah (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retain this deletion discussion was raised due to the page not meeting Wikipedia notability guidelines for products and service. I have added various content including history and historical significance. I have expanded the External LInks section with links to various posts about the software. This page no longer reads like a sales article. I added various citations for verification. With all of these changes I believe that this page is now significany enough to be retained in Wikipedia and this deletion discussion should be shut down GrandPoohBah (talk) 09:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw Added source constitutes WP:SIGCOV in my view. Article's still iffy but I think it's in a state where my previous reason for filing this AFD no longer stands. Rcfische2 (talk) 17:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sooo, can i delete the AFD tag? Dimitrie569 (Talk) 18:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you think no consensus has been found then sure. Rcfische2 (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.