Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bilo jednom...

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. I suggest improving the article a bit (particularly the grammar - ask a native English speaker to review it) and expanding the sourcing. If it still isn't satisfactory, bring it back here for a second review. ChrisO 22:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bilo jednom...

Sorry, non-notable film, as much as I sypathize with the theme and resentiment of the film. The author of the article Jdjerich (talk · contribs) is likely the author of the film, thus WP:COI comes to play. No significant independent reviews, no indications of its popularity or even the cult status status. Heck, no hits even on Dnevnik, the local newspaper with thorough coverage of local events. No other WP:RS that I can find either [1]. Duja► 13:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and maybe redirect to Bilo jednom u Hrvatskoj. The google hits for Bilo jednom are unrelated (it's a common phrase), so I don't think the film is notable. Shalom ^Hello 14:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment official site of the film is the first result on Google [2].--Jdjerich 21:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment search conditions listed I find as a bad guess (too specific) - "Bilo+jednom" punk novi sad - a two-word phrase plus 3 words?! That's not the way you should use a search engine (if you want to find something). Even so, right after wikipedia, second result is films' presentation on mySpace of the Production company that made the film, and next one is the official site of the film.--Jdjerich 21:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, a redirect to Bilo jednom u Hrvatskoj is not appropriate. "Bilo jednom..." translates to "Once upon a time...". For the same reason it should not redirect to Once Upon a Time in the West, Once Upon a Time in America, Once Upon a Time ... The Revolution or Once Upon a Time in Mexico. In any case hopefully we find something on the notability of this film per Wikipedia:Notability (films). // laughing man 15:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that WYSIWYG applies, i.e. the references already provided in the article are the only ones. At least, that's what I managed to find out independently. According to the snippet from [3] (the author gave an interview to local "Radio In"), he's (still?) a student of Novi Sad Academy of Arts ("Jovan Đerić" is also a frequent name+surname combination, I think I found at least 4 different men by googling). Personally, I wish I'd seen the movie, but WP:ILIKEIT doesn't trump WP:N and WP:V. Duja► 08:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sorry for being impolite, but you should check "press" page on official web-site of the movie [4], there you can find articles from newspapers (two or three from "Dnevnik" - their site-archive search is so nasty I was not able to find those articles neither). As well, if you are really trying to clean-up Wikipedia from spam-articles, you should also check some links on the google-search page you provided. Other mentions of the movie you can find there. How comes that nobody of you guys checked www.bilojednom.info and contents of that site? Photos from the premiere, web-trailer and else can be found there.--Jdjerich 08:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I missed that. I don't think anyone used word "spam" on this page (although my statement of conflict of interest still holds.) So, we do have 3 independent newsarticles on the film, confined to the local press. Unfortunately, I still feel that none of WP:NF#General principles is satisfied. WP≠IMDB. Duja► 13:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just wanted to enrich Wikipedia with this contribution (trully, I was notified by google-robot that film is notified on Zbogom Brus Li wiki-pages, so I checked it and than decided to make its' own page).

WP:NF#General principles"A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" condition is by my oppinion fulfiled by those articles, as well as with those which I don't posses (from "Blic", "Politika", "Vecernje novosti" and "Danas" news-papers, TV coverage by "Radio-television of Vojvodina", "TV Apolo", "TV Kanal 9", "Multi radio", "Radio 021", "Radio Sajam" and maybe some others I forgot). I don't understand what other coverage you are expecting?

Film will also be shown during 2007 "Motovun film festival" in Croatia as part of presentation of film production in Vojvodina (programe segment titled MADE IN VOJVODINA).

However, I don't feel like I made a mistake, the blame is always to those whose drive is to ruin, not to those who are creating. Everything writen on the page is true, and contributed with best intention. I was not aware that it will be problem to some people if I contribute something I know all the details about.

Take a look of other films in "Category: Serbian films", please pay attention how do they fulfil WP:NF#General principles.--Jdjerich 01:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, no one is questioning your good faith. I do understand your desire to contribute about something you know about, but writing about one's own work of borderline notability is seldom a good idea. As for the conflict of interest, I (try to) practice what I preach. Wikipedia's attempt is not to become another Internet i.e. an indiscriminate collection of information.

Re the WP:NF#General principles: the sentence you quoted says presumed, i.e. sources are a necessary but not the sufficient criterion for inclusion; other criteria are listed below.

Finally, as for WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS: that's fixable as well [5]. Is there any other? Duja► 07:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have no opinion on this, but if it's closed as Delete, the closing admin should also be aware to revert User:Jdjerich's additions to various articles where he adds links to this page. Oh, and the snarky "drive to ruin" remark isn't appreciated, either. JuJube 01:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

JuJube, Please do not bite the newcomers. Thank you. // laughing man 02:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Those are articles of bands whose members apear in the film, and articles whose topic is related to films' topic.--Jdjerich 21:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A well written article. We don't have sufficient articles on Yugoslavian rock music of the 90s. - Francis Tyers · 08:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If the licensing issues for the images are not fixed, I may change my mind. - Francis Tyers · 08:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Fixed licensing issues it took some time for me to figure it out. Sorry for inconvinience :) - --Jdjerich 12:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but add more text. Otherwise, good pictures! --24.154.173.243 18:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.