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VPN IP Block Exemption Userbox

Hello, I have recently acquired an VPN IP block exemption. Is there a userbox for this, I haven’t been able to find one. If so would someone please make one? I will invest my time for the next day after the custom box is made and I will invest it in editing a topic or article the person chooses if they make me a custom userbox.🙂 SmileyTrek (talk) 03:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

SmileyTrek, unfortunately, there is not. Feel free to create one though! Enjoy your stay at the teahouse! Heart ^(talk) 05:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@SmileyTrek: At Wikipedia:Userboxes there is a list of users who will create a userbox if you ask. RudolfRed (talk) 05:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@HeartGlow30797 and RudolfRed: Thank you to both of you (Sorry for two pings I accidentally forgot to log in so I erased my IP signature)! SmileyTrek (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

SmileyTrek, you might want to consider suppression so nobody can identify you... edit history is still a thing! Heart ^(talk) 04:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797 Thank you for the advice! I am new and very much value my privacy, so I will follow your example. SmileyTrek (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Gravity acceleration. Question: What readings would be obtained if a gravimeter is theoretically placed 2000 km below the earth surface? Will the mass above it affect the reading?

Gravity acceleration, Will the mass above a gravimeter theoretically placed at 2000 km below the earth surface affect the generally accepted reasoning of a vertical vector acting from that position to the centre of the earth? 197.91.242.132 (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 197.91.242.132. While your question sounds interesting, the Teahouse is really a place for asking questions about about Wikipedia editing or other things related to Wikipedia. Try asking your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk and perhaps someone will be able to help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes adding every vector for every bit of mass surrounding the gravity sensor will require summing all forces and directions using integral calculus, but yes drilling deep into the Earth will change the gravity measured. The deepest mines ever dug are still less than 4 km deep while the center of the Earth is 6000 km deep Electricmic (talk) 15:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Stopping a red link going to a disambiguation page

If I write [[author name]] and the author does not exist, it goes to the create an new page. However, if the [[author name]] is not unique, it goes to a disambiguation page. I don't want to add the new name to the disambiguation page - no red links. If I Leave the link disambiguating, a kindly bot writes on my talk page. How do I stop a red link that needs disambiguating, diambiguating? What is the best practice here? Sciencefish (talk) 10:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sciencefish, welcome to the Teahouse. You could pipe the link to a target other than the dab page. Example: [[Name of person (author)|Name of person]]. Regards, Zindor (talk) 10:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I've seen. The trick appears to be to make the new link unique.Sciencefish (talk) 09:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Bias

Could you possibly be any more biased towards the left? 40.137.48.226 (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia; this is why the sources are presented to readers so they can examine and judge them for themselves. If you are willing to collaborate with others regardless of political viewpoint, and have independent reliable sources to support information you feel is needed, you are welcome to offer your suggestions on article talk pages. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes. But Earth's inner core obviously needs a more anti-left perspective. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure we could. There's far too much right wing propaganda in the corners of Wikipedia than there should be. Unfortunately, we live in a world right now, at least in the U.S., where correct, empirical facts are considered leftist pinko commie propaganda by many people living in a Fox News-Rush Limbaugh echo chamber, and the mainstream media (the most unbiased, just-the-facts corners of it), are branded leftist because they report reality. Actually they too have been compromised by the conservative movement into at least sipping the Kool-Aid, too scared to call out alternative facts as lies when they butt up against reality, and who think being unbiased is trotting out the kooksiest lunatic fringe to give their opinion on reality, on science; uggg, it makes me sick.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Trivia and pop culture sections on articles for everyday subjects

Hi. If anyone wants to take a look, a lot of our articles for numbers (ex. 20 (number)) are loaded with trivia sections pertaining to their usage in popular culture (like music, sports teams, and overall non-mathematic and irrelevant topics). Almost all of these are trivial things like a certain sports team containing a certain number of players (seriously?) or an album being named after a number. It's basically just an incorporation of the disambiguation page into the article, which is really redundant since we already link the disambig at the top of the article for readers to find different topics; we don't need repeats. Not helping is the fact that a majority of this information is unsourced.

There's also sections dedicated to certain privileges attainable at certain ages. Those might be helpful as we don't have certain articles for the ages (ex. "20 (age)", but then again there's nothing much to say about being a certain age and we already have separate articles denoting the various age spans from birth to old age), but they also suffer from the same problem of uncited statements, and we already mention these facts in the articles for the various stages of aging.

That said, is it really necessary to dedicate whole sections in number articles to its trivial details in culture? I think only stuff about the numbers' impact in mathematics and the history behind said numbers should be documented. Bearswitch (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bearswitch: This is something that you should bring up on the article's talk page and get consensus from other editors. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Bearswitch, I find that the information quite interesting in general although I can both understand that it can be overdone, and other editors would prefer less of it. while I can appreciate a mindset that believes an article about a number should restrict itself to the mathematical properties in the history of the number qua number, I suggest that members exist in many fields other than just mathematics, and that made sense to talk about the usage of the number in other contexts. Where else would you put such interesting information? I have more sympathy about the items that relate to the rather than the number, but I fear I am venturing into points that deserve to be made on the talk page rather than here. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Userbox Editor

How do I become a Userbox editor - meaning someone that can process requests into Userboxes? Charles Juvon (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC) Charles Juvon (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Charles Juvon. Providing you already know how to create Userboxes, and genuinely want to help other users, you can add your name here. At a hasty glance, I didn't see you've made any of your own, yet, though I'm probably mistaken. They're not too difficult to master. In a fit of lockdown madness the other day, I made this for a bit of entertainment:

This user is bike-curious

Enjoy! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick, Thank you for that answer. I thought Userboxes were under some sort of "bureaucratic" control to prevent misuse. So, I will try to make one. Charles Juvon (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: No. Within reason, you are free to create a userbox for your own, or others' use, although there are many that do exist already. Just avoid creating something that others may deem offensive, as that would almost certainly be deleted. Good luck. Let us know what you eventually create! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I don't see a tool for including an image from Commons. Charles Juvon (talk) 02:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: I'm a bit confused by that question - can you explain what you want to do? Adding a Commons image to a userbox is done manually - no 'tool' is needed to do that. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you again. I am starting to figure it out by copying and mutating current Userboxes.Charles Juvon (talk) 22:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

This user is a retired spook.

@Charles Juvon: That is a very sensible approach which I have deployed not only here, but on many other sites where my skill levels aren't quite up to the job, de novo, but where I can certainly contribute by following those who have gone before me! Weird userbox you've created, there! Although on my userpage I declare having worked for the CIA, I would never admit to having been a 'spook'. Who would do that? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: It's meant to be humorous. I disavow ever having worked (knowingly) for John_Deutch! LOL Charles Juvon (talk) 00:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: I know - I know! I like it. My own humorous declaration of my bipedal orientation falls in roughly the same vein. Keep it up. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

My article was not accepted

My article was not accepted so how can i ?? Madhav rabari 6464 (talk) 07:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Madhav rabari 6464/sandbox

Welcome to the Teahouse, Madhav rabari 6464. You can't! First, your draft doesn't say anything at all about you. Also, instagram is not an acceptable source. And finally, Wikipedia is not the kind of website that welcomes a Wikipedia:Autobiography. —teb728 t c 08:47, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

British Columbia

(This is the first time I have used the teahouse.) Hi there, you dont know me and I dont know you, but I'm currently involved in an edit war on the article British Columbia, I put a fact on there about the capital of BC, so I wrote that Victoria is on Vancouver Island, which is completely true. An administrator rejects my contribution and reverts it. He also emails an administrator on his talkpage regarding another one of my problematic edits on Donald Trump, I put it back up there (the fact about Victoria) when I noticed what he had done, so i wrote it again, a different admin reverts it. I dont want to get banned for edit-warring, and I have no idea why two admins would revert my edits on BC. If any of you guys could help me with this problem I would be extremely grateful. Thanks

82.40.130.75 (talk) 08:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC) 82.40.130.75 (talk) 08:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. Just because something is true doesn't mean it needs to be said. If someone reverts your edit, do not reassert it. Instead discuss the change you want on the article talk page, Talk:British Columbia. —teb728 t c 08:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The fact that Victoria is on Vancouver Island is stated in the geography section. The Wikilink to Victoria, British Columbia has the same information. In my opinion, it does not also need to be in the lead of British Columbia. As advised by teb728, if you disagree, try to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Pictures of notable people on Wiki articles that are not about those people

Is it appropriate to put a picture of a notable person (who has his own Wikipedia page) on other pages which are relevant to that person? For instance, in the case of Rodney Atkins, the country musician, I put a photo of him on two schools that he attended where his name is mentioned as a notable alumnus: Walters State Community College and Tennessee Technological University; plus on his hometown of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee; but another editor, AppalachianCentrist removed those pictures. Please tell me what the policy is for placing pictures in such cases, because I have seen many pages where notable alumni or people from a small town who became well-known, do have their photos on those related pages. Thanks. 64.90.222.203 (talk) 09:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. Page content is determined by consensus of the users editing the page. If someone reverts your edit, do not reassert it. Instead discuss the change you want on the article talk page. See WP:BRD. —teb728 t c 09:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Meta data in my photos can lead to my address. Can it be deleted?

As the subject says: can the meta data with my location be deleted from my pictures? Or can someone do this for me? Maybe it can be automated or something? I obviously don't feel too comfortable with the knowledge that people can find my home and get access to the things I photographed! Marc NL (talk) 09:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Marc NL: Three points: Firstly, in future, try to remember to delete exif data before uploading if youve set you camera to add personal information. Secondly, your question needs to be asked at Wikimedia Commons, which is where I assume your images were uploaded to. Thirdly, it's always best to approach an administrator there by email with your concerns, rather than using a public forum, as this tends to advertise the issue and thus make people go and look. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Translation in other languages

Hello dear ladies and gentlemen, my name is Sayyid Mir Israfil and am contributing to the following pages:

• Hazrat Ishaan
• Moinuddin Hadi Naqshband
• Sayyid Mir Jan
• Sayyid Mahmud Agha

I will be grateful, when you could add the translation of these articles from english into other languages, like: Arabic, Bahasa, Turkish, Russian, Urdu, Farsi etc. etc.

I am looking forward with thanks.

For easement you can also reach me per <redacted>

Thank you very much.

Sayyid Mir Israfil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 08:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Sayyid Mir Israfil. I have moved your post from the top to the bottom of the forum, which is where users expect to find new posts. I have also removed your contact information because Teahouse hosts do not contact guests off-wiki and because it is not a good idea to post it on this highly visible website. —teb728 t c 10:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Sayyid Mir Israfil. Everyone here is a volunteer. And This Teahouse is not a place where people who could make translations will see your request. But according to Wikipedia:Translation: To request a translation of an English Wikipedia article into another language, see the page in the foreign-language Wikipedia project corresponding to that page. You could use the sidebar links in the desktop version of that page to the foreign-language project page. —teb728 t c 10:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My wikipedia pages stuck in review?

Hi I have submitted two pages one on a public figure/author!/activist called Scott McGlynn and a TV show called Car and Country. I submitted them nearly a month ago with no response, is this normal? To top it off Scott has had an email from a freelancer saying they spotted his page in review and have offered to perfect it so it will get reviewed/sorted quicker for a fee. This doesn't seem right, can someone offer advice for next steps? 146.90.58.149 (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

(Remember to log in before posting). On your draft it states "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,398 pending submissions waiting for review." I'm not sure how you are aware of a freelancer contacting the subject of your draft(do you have a conflict of interest?), but we cannot stop that from happening. Wikipedia does not endorse or encourage paid editing, but it is not against policy as long as the paid editor complies with the paid editing policy and declares that they are being paid. It's doubtful though that a paid editor could speed up the process, as there are a limited number of editors who review drafts. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The original poster is also being paid to edit Draft:Scott McGlynn. Theroadislong (talk) 12:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I can see no draft for a Car and Country article here [1]? Perhaps it is a different user?Theroadislong (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Why is the font so small and page format does not lend itself to font enlargement in Chrom browser?

 2605:B100:E014:C52B:41E8:DDED:6BB3:CBC7 (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

No one? Okay, I'll try to decode this.

2605:B100:E014:C52B:41E8:DDED:6BB3:CBC7, you can zoom in by holding down the ctrl key and + key. Could you please describe your issue? If its not Wikipdia related, go to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Le Panini ^Talk 20:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Parler Social Media Article/Page

Hello, I would like to edit the Parler article (specifically the "useage" section) to reflect Facebook and Twitters growth in their first 2 years of operation. This would be to provide contrast for Parler's performance since their founding and would provide fair and balanced projections to future investors and users.

How would I go about doing this? I have done the research and most of it is posted on the respected wiki articles about the history of facebook and twitter.

thank you 172.58.188.12 (talk) 16:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. With all due respect, you appear to be one of the IPs from this discussion. Please read WP:SOCKPUPPETRY for an explanation of Wikipedia's policies on this. If I am incorrect for assuming this, please reply with a valid reason. Thanks! Heart ^(talk) 16:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Using different IP addresses is not sockpuppetry- many users have dynamic IPs, so their IP addresses frequently change. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, I am not a puppet or a robot, I use my cellphone right now but I can create an account if I have to? It is understandable that my question might offend you as wiki articles and its users are known for bias, but none the less it is a legit question and I would like to know what I needed to to to have said contrasted information added to the Parler article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.188.12 (talk) 17:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

It appears I have been mistaken, you can request an edit by reading WP:EDITREQUEST as the page is protected at the current moment! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Heart ^(talk) 17:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Registering an account not necessary, but per Heart's answer, article currently locked. At Talk for the article, be specific as to your proposed changes, including references. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. That sounds like original research to me. If you can find a reliable source independent of both companies that compares the growth of two companies, then that comparison may possibly be appropriate in either or both articles, but in the absence of an published independent comparison, it would be quite improper to talk about another company's performance in an article. Note that providing "fair and balancecd projections to future investors and users" is no part of Wikipedia's mission. The fact that you want to do so makes me wonder if you have a connection with Parler? If so, please read Conflict of interest carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there... "it would be quite improper to talk about another company's performance in an article" Yes that is quite ironic because that is all the "usage" section on the Parler article I am referring to does, all that it talks about is Facebook and Twitters performance lol, so you see the irony? In fact reading the "usage" section prompted me to my investigation of the first two years performance of Facebook and Twitter.

Thank you both for your help, I will research further and see what I can accomplish.

Steven

Not Autoconfirmed?

Hello, I was recently trying to fix a very simple and uncontroversial error on this page and found it was semi-protected. Only autoconfirmed users can edit. My account is many years old and I have made many edits, but my activity has been sporadic. (I have gone years between edits occasionally.) Is there some way to find out why my account is not autoconfirmed? Thanks! Apollo reactor (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Your account is autoconfirmed. Ruslik_Zero 19:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Richard Miller (cryptographer)

Link: Draft:Richard Miller (cryptographer)

What could be done to improve this draft? Is there anything I can do to make the review process easier or expediated? Anthonymarvinogallagher (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Here's how it starts: "Richard 'Z' Miller is an American cryptographer, and composer. He has been influential in the development of cryptography throughout the 2010’s and is an active researcher in the field." The draft thereafter seems to say nothing whatever about his compositions or research, to say nothing that's both clear and referenced about his cryptography, and to say nothing about his influence other than something obscure about "Qanon". There is something about his cryptography, but it's sourced to an obscure website that seems to have taken what it says from 4chan (oh dear). All this seems utterly unconvincing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Anthonymarvinogallagher: Improve? Yes, of course: please read this page. You wrote: "Miller is known for being a ‘privacy freak’." Doh! That's really going to piss him off, then, isn't it. This looks like a hoax article, with pictures taken by you claiming to be him. (Clearly a lover of privacy). Certainly nothing that would meet WP:NBIO. Move along please, everyone. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Well said, Nick Moyes; but before moving along, I started commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:RichardZMiller.jpg. Somebody may wish to examine the second illustration too. -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Interesting. This second image is attributed to secrecy freak, RichardMiller, but uploaded by Anthonymarvinogallagher, who has redirected the author link for Miller to their own userpage on Commons. But it claims to come from a mysterious group called Cicada 3301, on whose page mystery man Miller is not mentioned. Even if genuine, the image must belong to Cicada 3301, and not one or other of the project users involved in this weird draft. There is already a non-free image rationale on that page for the Cicada logo, and a second image, even under a non-free rationale, seems inappropriate. I have therefore nominated it for deletion as a copyvio. There really is too much 'woo-woo' in this draft (and nothing linking to properly published WP:RS that meets Wikipedia notability criteria) for it to do anything but linger as a draft until such time as it is deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:22, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: So Nick Moyes should I start by editing that page? WP:RS states News Sources are fine as well, should I just replace sources with more News Articles even if they are not immediately relevant?

@Hoary: Hoary These are both public images. His picture is from Twitter. I have received permission to use the Storyflesh and picture from the individual as well. There is no copyright information for either Anthonymarvinogallagher (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Anthonymarvinogallagher, that makes no sense to me, but if you're going to pursue it anywhere then commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:RichardZMiller.jpg is the place. -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Rollback permissions for alternate account

Hi fellow Wikipedians,

I currently have two accounts - an alternate one and a primary one. My primary one's been granted the Rollback user right. Does this implicitly suggest my alternate account should automatically have the same privilege when (or if) I ask at WP:Requests for permissions/Rollback? Please ping me using {{ping}} when you post a reply. Thanks. Silikonz (alternate account) (💬│🖋) 00:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Silikonz-alt: Not automatic. Your main account only just got that right, so I would suggest use it on your main account unless you can demonstrate a need to have it on two accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Silikonz (alternate account) (💬│🖋) 00:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Need help with Judge Roy Bean episode section

I've just spent most of today trying to add an Episode section to the article Judge Roy Bean. I've added episodes to other TV series articles, but today I kept getting formatting messes, and finally ended up with something that wasn't horrible. But there are two mistakes.

When viewing the article there are two }} at the beginning of the section, and I can't figure out why. Also, the References title was appearing before the Episodes, so I deleted ==References== temporarily, planning on putting it back in once I got the Episodes straightened out, but now I can't figure out how to put it back into the article so that it appears in the proper place.

Right now I can't think straight, so could some kind soul go to Judge Roy Bean and fix my mistakes for me. Thank you in advance for correcting my problems. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I just checked Judge Roy Bean and the problems have been fixed. Thank you to all the Teahouse experts who help editors, like myself, who know many things, but sometimes get stumped by problems we can't figure out how to fix. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Is Warren Zevon's "Accidentally Like A Martyr" notable or should I move on to something else?

Hello Wikipedia Editors! I am new to this so please excuse anything odd I do here. (And polite advice correcting my behaviour is welcomed!)

I created a DRAFT Article on Warren Zevon's song 'Accidentally Like Martyr'. I did this because on the main Warren Zevon article there is a list of five song in the opening paragraph: "Poor Poor Pitiful Me", "Accidentally Like a Martyr", "Mohammed's Radio", "Carmelita", and "Hasten Down the Wind". All of these songs except "Accidentally Like a Martyr" have separate articles. I felt possibly it should also have a separate article -- but I'm still new at determining notability. So I wrote of the draft. In doing so I found significant references from different sources. The article was rejected for lack of notability by a very knowledgeable editor (WP.NSONG)

So my question is: Should I work to improve the support for the draft article or should I forget it and move along to something else?

Thanks! Rob J RJHeron (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

RJHeron Your draft Draft:Accidentally Like a Martyr was Declined actually, which is less severe than Rejected. Reasons given by the reviewer, including not meeting the guidelines at WP:SONG. Be aware that some of the songs you listed as examples are in fact articles, but criticized for lacking references. David notMD (talk) 02:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Magazine cover

I tried to insert the cover of a magazine in the page that belongs to that magazine and it does not let me. Why? Newseditorusa (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Newseditorusa. What happens when you try? Does the problem happen when you try to upload the cover image or when you try to use it in the article? See Help:Files. —teb728 t c 03:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Editing changes nothing

Every time I try to edit the gallery of this page, nothing happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Dandini I want to add links to the people in the gallery and add dates of the paintings. I fill out the edits like normal, and when I click preview it shows that I have edited, but once I publish they disappear and nothing in the article is changed. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Welcome to the Teahouse, Helpfulwikieditoryay. What are you trying to do? I was able to add a Wikilink with this edit. —teb728 t c 03:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Most of the titles need links, such as St Ines, St Cecilia, Armida, Magdalene. I want to add dates to the works as well. I try to edit and nothing happens. I publish the changes and it just stays the same as before. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. So what specifically are you trying to do with St Ines. Presently it is

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''St Ines''</center>

—teb728 t c 04:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I want to make it link to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome while it stays titled as St Ines Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. Done with

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''[[St Ines]]''</center>

If you tried

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome St Ines]''</center>

That probably would fail because bracket inside a gallery tag can only be used for "wikilinks", which maybe do not include external links. If St Ines were not redirected to Agnes of Rome, the wikilink would be [[Agnes of Rome|St Ines]]. —teb728 t c 06:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I didn't do anything differently than any other time I edit. It also doesn't let me change the captions at all. I tried to change Rinaldo and Armida to Rinaldo and Armida, 1635 and nothing happens. Thank you for your help! Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. Do you see what I did here for St Ines? I notice that you are in the habit of using external links like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome St Ines] (with single brackets and a url); that doesn't work gallery tags. You have to use internal links like [[St Ines]] or [[Agnes of Rome|St Ines]] (with double brackets and an article name). If that doesn't work for you, post your code here (without the enclosing gallery tag). —teb728 t c 19:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

That helps a lot, thank you! Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Article full of jokes, false information

Hey, I just thought I'd leave this here. Many lines are obviously a joke. Not sure if this is the right place for this. This place seems to be the closest I could find to a centralized message-board area for people who are interested in cleanup or whatever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matball 108.3.158.104 (talk) 02:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to the teahouse and thanks for bringing this to our attention! I've restored an old version of the page with the vandalism removed and have warned the editor involved. Many thanks, Ed talk! 02:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Acceptable sources

Hello fellow wikipedians! I am currently writing an article on a YouTuber, and used "unacceptable sources" such as Twitter and SocialBlade. I was wondering what sources would be acceptable because other sources that I could find were all dubiously unsourced. Cheers! Azpineapple (talk) 05:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Azpineapple: see WP:RS. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And WP:BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Azpineapple I'm afraid very few proposed articles on YouTubers succeed in establishing their notability. I suggest you read WP:NYOUTUBE for guidance.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you all so much! Azpineapple (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Please review Draft:Kin Lane

I would appreciate another review on Draft:Kin Lane. Both European Commission and the US Supreme Court are used as independent sources. Thank you. GoodNickBB (talk) 07:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB, An amicus curiae brief is not a reliable source that shows notability. If this person is going to have an article, you must show that they are notable by using sources that talk about Lane, not just by Lane. Has Lane been covered in a major newspaper? Gotten a profile in the NYTimes? Won a prestigious award? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB Comment on those 2 sources. The European Commission one is a passing mention, not what is demanded at WP:BASIC. The AB thing is not independent since he's a part of it, presumably he wrote the text about himself at least partly himself. See also WP:BLPPRIMARY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. Here are 2 more independent sources to prove his expertise in API: TechCrunch, Forbes. Do you think these will be good enough?— Preceding unsigned comment added by GoodNickBB (talk • contribs) 02:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

TechCrunch no (too minimal), Forbes maybe. David notMD (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Not Forbes either: The article is about API Commons not Lane or Willmott. We are looking for significant coverage not expertise. API Commons might be a more likely topic for an article than Lane. —teb728 t c 08:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted

Why is talk thyme removal of copyrighted images erratic?
From my talk page:
" Most but not all copyrighted are marked for removal. A ROBOT was my erroneous postulate because, for example, AGATE_IMG_4478 image is marked for removal with a stated reason that author and source are not identified, HOWEVER, just below the removal warning is a template which identifies the author and source as me. -- Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC) " ( PROBLEM LIST https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&user=Mawcowboybillsbrick7&ilshowall=1 ) Please help me remove my violations which I have yet to be accused by talk thyme for copyright violation. I AM LOCKED OUT OF COMMONS BY HERBY BUT HERBY IS OUT! -- Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 09:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

If you've been blocked on Commons, then you will need to appeal your unblock over there, as English Wikipedia has no control over Commons. But I can see that many of your uploads contain copyright and all rights reserved on them, which is not compatible with a free licence that Commons requires. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And as explained on your talkpage, Herbythyme is not a robot- they are a human who has been reviewing your images. Please stop calling them a robot, as this could be perceived as a personal attack. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Again: you have a temporary block at Commons. Have you tried to post to your Commons user talk page? According to your block log, you are not prevented from doing that. In case you are in fact not able to post to your Commons user talk page now, you can address that by email to the blocking administrator, as described here, but since your block will expire in a couple of days, you could also simply wait it out. --bonadea contributions talk 09:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Trump Nobel nomination

Hi, I want to mention the two Nobel peace prize nominations to Donald Trump’s profile. I have no idea how to find the admin who can approve this, can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactfinderNZ (talk • contribs) 10:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FactfinderNZ Admins do not approve or deny edits. Wikipedia does not have "profiles", it has articles. You are welcome to make the edit yourself, or if you cannot, make an edit request on the article talk page. Please check the article carefully, I'd be surprised if that hasn't been mentioned yet, though. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Since anyone can be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, this is somewhat meaningless.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: this user is now blocked. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for making legal threats concerning a different article. Has withdrawn legal threats as part of request to have block removed. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Editor on my page

Hi! Could someone please inform me, whether I can make someone else editor on my page? Thanks a lot! Helen Schott (talk) 11:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Helen Schott. Pages on Wikipedia do not have just one editor: almost anyone can edit almost any page. Does that answer what you want to know? —teb728 t c 11:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Helen Schott, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that you have done what many new editors do, and plunged straight into possibly the hardest task there is - creating a new article - before having learnt how Wikipedia works. As teb728 says, almost anybody in the world can edit almost any article (or other page): nothing belongs to a particular editor. However, the page where you have tried to create an article is your User page, which is not for articles, but for you to share (if you choose) some information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor.

The article you have started to write there shows another very common mistake for new editors: you have written it without including any references. This is like building a house and expecting to add the foundations afterwards: the references are, in a very real way, the foundations of any Wikipedia article. Please have a look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine (talk), thanks for the information. I know I did not put references, but I have not finished at all yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Schott (talk • contribs) 13:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helen Schott: Just to try to help you understand: It is convention that nobody edits another person's sandbox article(s) unless the user who created it explicitly invites someone/others to do that (or if another editor spots unacceptable content such as copyrighted material). Whilst Draft articles are more open for others to edit, it is still also common practice for most other editors to stay away. But if any do spot errors or want to add suggestions, they are free to do so, and I hope you'd be understanding of that. Once a draft article has been accepted into the main encyclopaedia, absolutely anyone is free to contribute to its improvement, of course.

BTW: When drafting articles it is always better to start by collating the references, and then only to use what they say to write article content. That way (and especially when you have a conflict of interest, or know someone personally) you don't fall into the trap of writing what you happen to know, rather than only what existing sources say. I admit to having done both, myself, but the second way is better. Here's a helpful guide on citing sources such as books, journals or websites: WP:REFBEGIN.

Also: I have re-enabled your main Userpage for its intended purpose (i.e. to say a little about yourself and your editing interests, rather than being a redirect to your draft) and have copied your COI declaration from Draft:Ron M.A. Heeren to that page for you.  Does that all make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nick Moyes thanks again for the information, although it sounds very complicated, but I will try to manage. I would like to invite a colleague who is copywriter and has more experience with this to my sandbox so that she can edit. Could you tell me how I should do that? Or where I can find that instruction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Schott (talk • contribs) 15:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helen Schott: Editing Wikipedia is like learning to drive. Start slowly, build up speed as confidence grows and only travel to distant destinations when you know you're ready. (But think of a brand new article as a 'big destination' - it's the hardest task anyone can do here.) There is no need to formally invite someone to edit on your sandbox page. Just send them the link (either by email or by leaving a note on their usertalk page.) They can also edit your sandbox as an unregistered IP, if they wish. My only suggestion is to leave a note on the page you want them to edit on, clarifying that it's OK for them to do that. The message would actually be aimed at people like me - or other editors - who might stumble across it and wrongly conclude someone was tampering with your sandbox. Make sure you add in the key references - copywriting is no use if the source material isn't already there for them to work from. Having learned how to add references by reading WP:REFBEGIN (or my own guide at WP:ERB), should you want to reuse one reference in different places, there is help at WP:REFNAME. I advise using our source editor (the one you have to use to edit this page) as it's easier to add citations with it than in Visual Editor. But the choice is yours. At the very least, just paste in bare urls into your draft to assist your friend to extract stuff from those sources. I suspect he will met our notability criteria for academics, but see WP:NPROF to guide you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why submitting the draft for review

If editors can move a page from draft to article directly, then why there is the process of submitting the draft for review. Adishere (talk) 12:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Adishere. I think there are a couple of reasons for this.

1. Not all editors may be able to move a page. I believe only WP:AUTOCONFIRMED accounts can do so, but there might be other reasons as to why an editor might not be able to do so.
2. Not all editors should be moving a page. Lots of poor articles are created by editors who might mean well, but just don’t know enough about creating a proper Wikipedia article to do so; so, lots of articles (particularly by newer editors) often end up being draftified or otherwise tagged or nominated for deletion. There are also editors who might be trying to create articles about subject for which they have a WP:COI or maybe even are subject to WP:PAID; so, even though these editors might mean well, they might not have a good understanding of WP:NOT and there effort might be too promotional or too soon for a Wikipedia article to be written.

Submitting a draft for review is optional, but drafts accepted by experience reviewers do seem to have more staying power when it comes to Wikipedia notability because reviewers generally don’t accept drafts that they think will end up quickly nominated for deletion for lack of notability. It’s not a 100% guarantee that a draft approved by a reviewer will never end up nominated for deletion, but there does seem to be less of a chance of that happening. Even so, many good articles have been created that were never submitted for review as a draft. So, if someone thinks they can create a proper article without submitting a draft, then they’re free to give it a try. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adishere: I'll just add, if I may, that everything put into what we call 'Mainspace' (i.e. the live encyclopaedia that everyone can see) needs to be of encyclopaedic quality right from the very start. If it isn't, it's highly likely to be deleted - often 'speedily deleted' - as 'promotional' or 'non-notable'. Only if a poor article is deemed to have a degree of merit worth improving might it be moved into draft space. By contrast, an editor submitting a draft via Articles for creation process is able to receive helpful feedback as to what needs to be addressed to make it acceptable. It can be submitted multiple times (providing genuine steps have been made to improve it between each one). Using a metaphor of an athletics track, whilst going via AFC might initially seem to be placing extra hurdles to jump over to reach the finishing line of Wikipedia Mainspace, the alternative is that someone trying to reach that finishing line by taking a shortcut is quite likely to simply find themselves disqualified, and with no leeway given. Whichever of these two routes are taken, all the new articles arriving in Mainspace still have to go through one further 'New Page Review' process before we allow Google to index them. At that point it can be deleted, draftified or send for a deletion discussion. Each step has its backlogs, so patience is always needed, as everything here is done by volunteers who give their time generously. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Do I always need third-party sources

If I want to update numbers for a company, like revenue or AUM, which on the Wiki article are outdated, but the only place I can find more recent numbers is the company's own website, can I use the website as the source for the new numbers? Thanks. Pollstart (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pollstart. Yes, for minor details like staff numbers, number of fleet vehicles, turnover, it's normally accepted that using links from the company's own website is acceptable if no other source can be found. Please make sure you don't forget to check any existing link is also updated to reflect newer content. Such sources should not, however, be used to write about the company in broader terms. Here, as you clearly understand, reliable third party sources are needed, and not those based upon press releases from that company. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Upload image

Hi, Is there any body who can tell me how to upload my image on wikipedia. Tahirabbasbaig (talk) 14:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tahirabbasbaig: Try the Upload Wizard at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tahirabbasbaig: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't try to upload an image of yourself to accompany the page you created about yourself (Tahirabbasbaig). I'm afraid I have just deleted it. You might have been under the impression that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit and that anyone can create a LinkedIn-like profile about themselves here. The former is true; the latter is certainly not. We are not a free hosting site for people, and any image of that sort would be deleted, as would any such article. Sorry this sounds harsh, but this encyclopaedia is only for articles about Notable topics or Notable people. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahirabbasbaig (talk • contribs) 16:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Athletic Newham FC page

We would like to change the club badge 84.67.93.11 (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP user, I have uploaded the new logo File:Athletic Newham Logo.jpg for you, and changed the logo on the Athletic Newham F.C. page. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Image question

I uploaded an imaged that had a mistake and said it was copyrighted but it is a free content image Waarmo (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Waarmo. Please make our lives much easier by kindly linking to the image you uploaded and also linking to the source from where it came from. How do you know the image was incorrectly copyrighted, may we ask? I assume this relates to images you want to use at Draft:Paul F. Yount. It's worth adding (having looked at your talk page) that 'fair use' images can only be used in mainspace articles, and not in drafts or userpages. If that's the issue, you would need to wait until your draft is accepted at AFC review, and only then upload an appropriate image. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Here c:File:Paul_F_Yount.jpg is the image i wan too upload and there is no legal copyright on this image. I typed copyright on the image but the artist has told me that there is no legal copyright on the image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waarmo (talk • contribs) .

@Waarmo: What the artist "tells you" is irrelevant. If there's no Creative Commons commercial re-use licence (or equivalent) on the site you took it from, you may not upload it. It's especially annoying that you've now uploaded the same image twice, as the first time it was marked for deletion (see here).

If the artist genuinely wants to release the image for commercial reuse, we can't just go on their say so from you. They may, however, follow a set procedure that Wikimedia Commons has, which will involve them sending in an email to what is called their 'OTRS' Team, including a set form of words which the experts there will check and approve the image for Commons -reuse. If you are in close contact with the artist, the alternative is for you to ask them to release it with an appropriate CC-BY-SA licence statement on their own website. You didn't give me a link to it, so I'm unable to check if they've done that, and am not willing to spend time wading through websites on the off-chance of finding it. Of course, if you do know the artist, please ensure you declare your Conflict of Interest on your talk page, if you've not already done so. I would suggest it best to wait until your draft has been accepted before asking anyone to jump through all these hoops. I should also point out that we here at English Wikipedia don't deal with images - the administrators over at Wikimedia Commons have a help noticeboard where you can seek more detailed advice. Does this all make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I deleted the image ([2]). This was deleted due to copyright laws. I did not want to be"especially annoying" as you put it in uploading the image twice. There is no image now that creates a copyright issue. I have followed all steps and have complied. I have not asked you to do any extreme laborious work on this but thank you for your suggestions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waarmo (talk • contribs)

Thank you, Waarmo - that's much appreciated. Good luck with your draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why do edits disappear after "preview" is selected?

I spent about an hour doing proposed edits to an article, selecting "preview" to look at my progress. When I returned to "edit" funciton my edits were gone. Did I hit the wrong link? Vernon Miles Kerr (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Vernon Miles Kerr, It seems you probably used your browser to navigate out, instead of using the 'x' button in the preview window. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 16:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vernon Miles Kerr: That can be really annoying. Another cause (where I sometimes lose edits myself) is when I use my mobile phone to edit from. I might pause for a while and then return, only to find the phone's first action is to wake up, refresh the screen for me, and thus lose all my edits. It is never wise on any platform to spend an hour editing without saving - and the same goes here on Wikipedia. Previewing is always sensible, but I'm sorry you lost your hard work and that it doesn't put you off from contributing. Making smaller edits and saving each one with an edit summary really is the best way to proceed. It also allows you to find and perhaps revert specific edits you don't like without removing all the rest. Every page here has a 'View History' tab or link which lets you see the history of every (saved) edit made to it from the day it was created. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FWIW I always copy my edits to the clipboard before previewing or publishing. This is also useful in the case of an edit conflict.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Unreferenced editing at Mitch Craft

Hi All! I'm unsure how to deal with this. The BLP article at Mitch Craft has been heavily edited today by one or more IP editors (the IPv6 addresses are very similar but not identical), mostly without citing any sources. I was going to revert it all back to the last edit before today (from Feb 2018), but that was also pretty poorly referenced; in fact, the article has had the BLP refimprove tag on since 2014. I then thought of proposing it for AfD on notability grounds, but I couldn't work out whether it satisfies WP:NGRIDIRON or not. Any advice welcome. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: I can only address one point, and will leave it to others to answer the rest (as I detest sports articles - sorry). All those edits were made by one user (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1700:5030:28B0:113D:6743:97CD:2413/64)

Many IPv6 users have systems that regularly, and without them knowing, switch addresses within what's know as the '/64 range' Normally this is innocent - unless you can see damaging edits and a person switching to avoid detection. All you ever need to do is add /64 to the end of the url of an IPv6 editor's list of contributions to see all the edits they've made, irrespective of precise address details. Obviously, uncited and disputable new content should be removed immediately if it is damaging to the person or their reputation. Or you could flag areas of concern with a {{cn}} template. I must leave others to comment on the edits themselves or further actions on notability you may take (Dinner is also calling). Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)    

@DoubleGrazing: I have partially reverted the edits as they included a blatant copyright infringement – revdeleted the history, posted a notice to the talk page and warned the IP (probably uselessly, given their dynamic IP). (Nick: great info about "/64", I will find that handy in the future, thanks!) As to what to do, I too have no interest in this subject and doing WP:BEFORE due diligence – what I think would be needed in order to know whether an AfD would be warranted – is not something I wish to spend time on, but doing that is the route I advise. Of course, if such a search turns up enough substantive coverage in reliable, secondary sources to sustain a proper article, then verifying the existing content, removing what can't be verified, and expanded with what is found is the ideal. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Fuhghettaboutit: I did a quick BEFORE, but couldn't find anything beyond a couple of ESPN listings. The sources in the article are pretty rubbish, needless to say. So WP:GNG is probably out. What I wasn't sure about was whether this sort of indoor football counts as one of the major leagues required for football-specific notability; especially as I'm not American and don't know this stuff, I thought I'd better ask first. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the IPv6 advice, @Nick Moyes: one day I might even get my head around IPv6, although old dogs and new tricks come to mind... :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit and DoubleGrazing: What we all need is a simple-to-use button at Special:Contributions to display the /64 range. It's impossible for me on my tiny iPhone screen even to display the far end of a user's url in landscape mode to manually add the /64 to it. Somebody suggested I request a script to add that functionality, but I think it's so important that everyone needs access to it, and that it should be built in as a tool on that page. I also would like to see some sort of cascading/copying of talk page contents across the IP range so that a new IPv6 address in that range gets to see a copy of the latest edits/warnings, irrespective of what individual page it was left on. One for the boffins to fix, I think. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Sounds like a good idea, and presumably one that gets more important all the time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing:, WP:NGRIDIRON doesn't appear to think so. While the Arena Football League is listed as a qualifying league for notability purposes, the sources state that the AFL folded before Craft played a game for them. The Southern Indoor Football League does not, so unless he meets WP:BASIC on some other basis, this should be sent to AfD. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) @Nick Moyes: If you ever request such a thing, please do drop me a note so that I can add my support. @DoubleGrazing: The subject-specific notability guidelines (SSNG) are about (are supposed to be about, but not all properly clarify) presumed notability—'X is likely to be a notable topic, because Y status he/she/they/it fall within usually means, in turn, that the necessary sources upon which notability is founded will exist for topics with that status.' They provide, thus, rebuttable presumptions. In other words, if one does a hard dive into a topic's sourcing and determines that (despite falling within some SSNG criterion) suitable sourcing simply does not exist, an AfD is still warranted.

Having said that, and though mileage may vary, there is inevitably a significant time commitment required to meet ones own requirement of due diligence before going to AfD – time one may not wish to expend – for a "deep" dive into looking for sources in order to be able to say in sum and substance "I've looked widely, and, despite meeting X SSNG criterion, the sources don't appear to exist [so delete]"; knowing how to do that dive (where to look for sourcing) is generally a matter of long experience, and subject to familiarity in a topic category, which for this topic, you've already indicated you don't have. You might possibly tap into some of that expertise with a post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit, Nick Moyes, and Eggishorn: Thanks for all the advice and pointers, much appreciated. I'll run this by the American 'football' (!) project, and might then propose AfD as well. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Where to put references

In Wikipedia, what is the classic way of placing references? In other words, should I put references before or after the period? D4135t (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC) D4135t (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t: If you mean whether <ref> tag comes before or after punctuation, it's after. In other words, first close the sentence, then reference it: ...end of sentence.<ref> See WP:FN. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

See the also appropriately named MOS:REFPUNCT.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Company name change

If a company changes their name, and you have reflected this truth in a Wikipedia article, then why does someone keep deleting the true & correct information? NantucketHistory (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

​Hi NantucketHistory. Have you looked at the article in question's page history for the the edit summaries accompanying the revert of your changes? It's almost always useful when asking a question here to be specific about what page is involved. I am guessing here that you are referring in your question to Zcash. If you look at the history of that article, two of the reverts of your edits (here and here), as examples, had these edit summary:

"Rv - no citations in mainstream RSes, only cited to blogs and crypto sites", and

"rm crypto sources; rm claims cited only to primary sources".

To translate a bit, "Rv"= revert; "rm"= remove; "RSes"= reliable sources. For additional context, please see primary sources, WP:BLOGS, the section immediately below that one, at the shortcut WP:ABOUTSELF and please also note Wikipedia:Edit warring and Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@NantucketHistory: To answer in a more general fashion: It can definitely be frustrating when you know the name change is a true fact, but we can't really make the change in the article if it's not verifiably true in reliable sources. Presumably the sources will come in due time, but per policy we have to go with what the reliable sources say now. Hope this helps, and feel free to ask further questions. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 21:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@NantucketHistory: Adding more context to the great answers above, Wikipedia requires that its article subjects demonstrate notability. With companies, one way for this is to show independent media coverage about the company. With most notable companies, when they change their name, it is news and is immediately reported, somewhere. If a name change can't be sourced due to lack of coverage of the change, that suggests the company's notability isn't quite where we want it to be. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Deleting a category?

Hello! I recently noticed a couple of categories that I believe are extraneous. These extraneous categories essentially duplicate other categories that are more populated with articles (i.e. the original category is used on more articles). I see that under the instructions for Wikipedia:Proposed deletion that the proposed deletion template is not be used on category pages. Is there another way that I could proposed a category for deletion? Thanks! Joeyvandernaald (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

The venue you're looking for is Categories for discussion! bibliomaniac15 18:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft page deleted

I don't understand how Wikipedia operates. I am an author of chess books, inventor of chess variants and owner and sole contributor of a website (http://history.chess.free.fr). I wanted to create a page for Shako a game that I invented 30 years ago and which is cited in several books, developed on some apps and played online. I did it with 1) exposing my conflict of interest and asking help of a more neutral person, 2) using parts (not all) of the text I had written on my own web site. 24h after posting my draft I've got a very unpleasant message asking for deletion for copyright infringement. I immediatly, rewrote my OWN words in a different manner. 24h after, my draft has been simply deleted for copyright infrigement and unambiguous conflict of interest. How people can be so poorly emphatic?Cazaux (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Cazaux (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• Hello, Cazaux, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you have had a rough ride, but I'm afraid that, yes, you don't understand how Wikipedia operates. In an article about a game you invented, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that you have said, written, or published about it. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about it, in reliable sources. (This is a slight overstatement: uncontroversial factual information such as places and dates may come from sources connected with you, if they are added to a solid article from independent sources). If there is enough such reliably published independent material available to ground an article, then we can have one: you are discouraged from writing it yourself, but permitted to if you are open about your relationship, and use the AFD system. But you will need to forget everything you know about the game, and write based on what the independent commentators have published. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Cazaux, sorry to hear you've been encountering so much difficulty. Copyright stuff can be weird, but here's the approach I'd take. First, you'd have to put a notice on your website that you license the content under an appropriate Creative Commons license. This would allow you to import the text to Wikipedia without creating a copyright issue. Second, you'd need to ensure that the game meets the general notability guideline. If you give us links to significant coverage of Shako from independent sources, we can give you an idea of that. Lastly, you'd need to write the article in an appropriately encyclopedic manner, without self-promotion etc. It looks like Jimfbleak was the deleting admin of Draft:Shako (chess variant). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Advice on understanding Wiki

Hi!!! I am here to ask for advice from experienced editors like yourselves! The reason I am here on wikipedia is due to a university project focused on understanding the heart of wikipedia, one I am not clear on but understand it is centered on informing people around the world, as well as the constant volunteer effort to make sure said knowledge is valid. is there a way I can communicate with the many people in wikipedia? and conversate about their own efforts and motivations?

Thank you all, really appreciate your help. Reciprocal learning yute (talk) 22:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Reciprocal learning yute, as I understand tertiary education on any subject -- biochemistry, political science, geology, clinical psychology, websites -- the student starts by acquiring background knowledge from lectures, seminars and books, and, once moderately informed, may continue by asking questions of practitioners. There's an extensive academic literature on Wikipedia. Once you've read some of it, you'll know which questions to ask. -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Reciprocal learning yute: It is hard to answer your question without knowing more about your 'university project'. Are you collecting information for an essay or tutorial that needs to be done next week? Or are you doing a 6 week student project with some a question to answer that you've not yet devised? Or are you at the start of some sort of year-long social sciences Masters degree? Or a PhD? If you can tell us more about your needs for help and information, we can possibly direct you better. (For example, there would be no point us suggesting you engage with senior staff at the Wikimedia Foundation's research groups if all you're wanting is a few quotes to pop in to a 500 word essay - or vice versa). But to understand the basic of Wikipedia, here are two three good pages to start:

• Wikipedia - the public Wikipedia article about, well, Wikipedia
• Wikipedia:About
• Wikipedia:Five pillars - us in a nutshell
• Help:Getting started
• Wikipedia:Statistics

Whilst you may receive various suggestions of places where you might interact with other editors to understand their motives for editing, please avoid the easy mistake of posting the same request for information in multiple places, or on numerous editors' talk pages. This could serve only to irritate a lot of people if all you really only came here for was a simple bit of help with next week's essay. For more serious research on Wikipedia there are various routes you can follow. But please tell us more about your project first. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

HOW DO WE PUT IMFO OUT ABOUT A CELEBRITY THERE IMFO AND CAREER.

How do we put out information about a celebrity there information and career. Total package rap group (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Total package rap group, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the answer is, you probably don't. Many people mistake Wikipedia for a social media site, on which people can promote themselves, or their activities: it is not. It is an encyclopaedia, and promotion of any kind is forbidden. If your celebrity meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that several people wholly unconnected with them, and not prompted or provided information on behalf of them, have chosen to publish material about them in reliable sources. If that is the case, then we could have a properly written article about them. It would not belong to them or their agents, it will not be under their control, it will probably not say what they would want it to say, and it should contain almost no information that comes directly from them. If you are their agents, then you are discouraged from creating an article on them; but if you insist on doing so, you will have to start by making the mandatory declaration of paid editing, and then, having found those independent sources, you will have to forget everything you know about your celebrity, and write the article based on what those independent sources say. Please see your first article if you wish to pursue this. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Image Help

Hi! I'm Dswitz10734 and I am an autoconfirmed editor. I'm having trouble adding an image to an article. Whenever I try to add it, it comes up on the far right and is on the line that shows the next section. I put it in an infobox. Is there an imagebox I should be using? Or something else? Please help! :) Dswitz10734 (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Dswitz10734 (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dswitz10734, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to be sure when you don't tell us what file and what article, but usually that problem arises because you are giving the wrong syntax to the infobox. I'm guessing that the article is Ronna McDaniel, and if you look at the source code for that, you will see that the infobox contains the line

|image        = Ronna McDaniel.jpg

I'm guessing that you have tried

|image        = [[File:Ronna McDaniel at a press conference.png]]

which may well have the result you are seeing. (I was going to point you at the documentation for Template:infobox officeholder, but as far as I can see this doesn't make it clear). --ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

How are you? 70.174.96.57 (talk) 23:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The Teahouse is a friendly help forum about editing Wikipedia - do you need any advice from us? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Mandakini River

Hey guys, I was wondering if i Could get some help with the final edits for my assignment at the University of Sydney, Australia. I have been editing the Mandakini River for a couple months I would like some help cleaning it up. Thank you very much in advance. FiertlA (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)FiertlA FiertlA (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FiertlA, If you believe its coming down to its final edits, why don't you try to promote the article to Good Article status? It's a good way to prove that the article is a good example of what Wikipedia is about. Plus, it gets a fancy green plus sign in the corner! Check out Wikipedia:Good articles for what it is, how to nominate the article, and the process. Le Panini ^Talk 00:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) FiertlA, fantastic work! I made a few small tweaks, but overall, you've massively improved the page; I reassessed it from stub-class (the lowest class) to B-class (the highest class available for articles that have not undergone a formal review). Since you've expanded the article by more than 5x within the past week, you can submit a fun fact from it to WP:DYK if you'd like, where it'll appear on Wikipedia's main page (just don't wait on it, or you'll miss the deadline). You could also consider nominating it for good article status, where you'd work with a reviewer to bring it up to a high quality standard (the caveat there is that it'll probably take a few months before a reviewer is available, since there's a backlog). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Ref #10 is same as #8. May be in better format than #8. Authors names for journal articles usually last name and initials of other names (no periods). I did some. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

What qualifies as a 'published secondary source'?

The description I get from following the link is too vague. Waffleknight (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Waffleknight, is the link you're referring to to WP:SECONDARY? If you have a particular source in mind, feel free to give us a link and we can probably let you know. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have a specific site to show since I'm not sure where the work has and hasn't been reviewed. For context, I was trying to create a page about a novel which I know about because I've read it myself. Can you provide a couple general examples so I know where to look on that topic? Waffleknight (talk) 08:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Waffleknight, for a novel, generally what you'd be looking for are reviews from a professional reviewer (as opposed to just some enthusiast's blog). So, for instance, [3] and [4] together establish the notability of The Vegetarian. Looking for notability-qualifying sources is the first thing you should do when considering writing a new page, since you don't want to waste your time drafting it if it isn't notable. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The grading system

Hello, I was just wondering what grade or class the crown (anatomy) article currently stands at. I have been working on adding information to the article (previously was a stub) and wanted to know whether the article is now a C or B class. Thank you very much. Physiotherapist1234 (talk) 00:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Physiotherapist1234 (talk) 00:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Ask the relevant WikiProjects. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 00:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Crown (anatomy) was recently upgraded from Stub to C-class. David notMD (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I recommend deleting the Gorham disease section, as condition is so rare as to not deserve space in such a general article. David notMD (talk) 06:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you very much for your reply. I am very happy that my hard work has paid off and my article has reached a C class and I appreicate your advice. What can I do more to make my article a B class? Thank you very much. Physiotherapist1234 (talk) 11:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Ref formatting needs some work to be consistent, but in my opinion the greatest flaw is making choice of whether the title of the article should be changed to Crown (human anatomy) and all the non-human content removed, or else have sections that deal with other mammals, birds, fish, reptiles amphibians, dinosaurs, evolution David notMD (talk) 12:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Help me understand....

I was asked to write up a short bio to create a scientist's Wikipedia page and was surprised to discover that in order to put that page up, I have to do 10 edits on something first. Is this correct? I really don't know where to begin. Can someone please explain the steps involved in that? I'm not an authority on any particular subject, so what should I do? Or am I to find articles that might need some grammatical or spelling changes and make them? How do I find such articles? Am happy to make whatever necessary edits I can, I just don't really understand what is being asked. Please inform. Thank you. Scientrep (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Scientrep You are a new user and not yet autoconfirmed. After 1 week and 10 edits, you will be able to create a page. In the meantime, please use AFC. Thank you. Firestar464 (talk) 02:37, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Scientrep. In case you did not understand it from Firestar464's reply, Wikipedia:Articles for creation allows even new users to create draft articles. —teb728 t c 04:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Be aware that Wikipedia does not have "pages." Rather it has articles about notable people. It the scientist in question has not been written ABOUT by other people, your efforts will come to naught. Also, if "asked" means paid, see WP:PAID. If it means doing for a friend/acquaintance, then WP:COI applies. David notMD (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Scientrep. Please make sure that you and your scientist read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Sri Lanka Police

Hi I'm very new to Wikipedia, I am editing this page -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Police#History and the list in the History section seems to come from one singe source. How do I go about citing it? Do I place the same inline citation at the end of every point in the list but that seems not to be the proper way... Sorry if this question has been asked before. Thanks! JMLCarvalho (talk) 03:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi JMLCarvalho, what I usually do for such lists is to add a brief "introductory" phrase such as "Timeline of significant events:" above the list with the reference directly after it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much I'll do the same JMLCarvalho (talk) 09:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

JMLCarvalho, Dodger67 answered your specific question above, but if you'd like more general help on referencing, you may find Help:Referencing for beginners helpful. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Problem submitting draft

Hi. I created a draft through Article Wizard at Draft:Jordan Cohen. But it doesn't have the buttons to submit a draft. Can someone please help me? I'm confused as to what to do, and this seems to need an expert. User:Seraphimblade - maybe you can figure it out? I see you deleted a prior draft with that name (I imagine on a different person, since this one is a dry bio and clearly notable because he plays in the Premier League). Thanks. --2604:2000:E010:1100:C56C:C1B8:42EA:F43 (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. I have added a submit block to the top of your draft. —teb728 t c 05:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Wow. You are so helpful and so quick. Thank you very much. I had no idea this page was so great. --2604:2000:E010:1100:C56C:C1B8:42EA:F43 (talk) 05:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Near (Death Note)

Near (Death Note) had it's own wiki page here but was removed due to hatred for the character, when going on the link to his page, it will just redirect you to the character list of Death Note. Is there a way to recover the original page with Near's information without it being redirected to the character list? JohnnyCooper64 (talk) 05:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@JohnnyCooper64: An AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Near (Death Note) was closed as a redirect. You can go to the original article’s history to find info that could be merged. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 05:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JohnnyCooper64. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Near (Death Note). There is not one word about "hatred for the character". The discussion was on Wikipedia's policies, specifically Notability. --ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Government Media

I am a university student currently working on the stub Commercial Radio Australia for a Wikipedia education class. My tutor is Carrolquadrio. I am in the process of uploading media and have found two files on Trove that I would like to upload. The sources are images of articles on the Wireless Telegraphy Act and the Joint Broadcasting Committee. The first work is original work of the Australian Federal Government, and the second is a newspaper article from 1942. I have gone through the Wikimedia Wizard, and there is no option for me to select 'original work of the Australian Federal Government', and as such, the Wizard is "unable to determine whether this file is suitable for Commons". Would someone be able to help me with this? Thanks -- SM9237 (talk) 07:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse SM9237. I don't understand why you would want to upload them. If it is only to cite them in references, don't upload them; content on Wikipedia is not a reliable source for references. Cite instead the original act and the original newspaper article. You could link to Trove if you like, but that is not necessary. —teb728 t c 10:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Good Morning. I need some help please!

I am so lost on here. I want to have my famous dog on wikipedia and I don't know how to go about it. I want to change the name on my account, as that seems to stop me writing about him and I cannot do that either. Can someone please help me do this? I would be very grateful Kind regards Tess Kratu the rescue dog (talk) 08:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Tess. Whatever your username you will not be allowed to publicize your dog here: Wikipedia is not a website that allows publicity. If you want to do something else, the easiest thing would be to abandon this account and create a new one. —teb728 t c 09:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Kratu the rescue dog This dog? [5][6][7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Kratu the rescue dog. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Louis Ng Chun Hau

Hi, may I know can someone please assist me to upload the contents to Wikipedia or can I find a third-party to complete the tasks? Previously, I uploaded two times but still rejected by wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Louis_Ng_Chun_Hau Publicgoldmkt2020 (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Publicgoldmkt2020 (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Publicgoldmkt2020 Your draft was declined for being written like an advertisement (not for lack of sources).

My take is: I can't tell from your draft why Louis Ng Chun Hau would be important enough to have an article about him in an encyclopedia; most businessmen are not that important.

If your username indicates that you are employed by Public Gold Marketing of PG Group, read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. And if you are being paid directly or indirectly for editing Wikipedia, you must comply with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Your conflict of interest may be the reason why you are unable to write from the required neutral point of view. —teb728 t c 09:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask questions for biology forum?

Hello! I wish to ask biologists (and hence chemists) on how G3P is synthesized into glucose but I don't know where. WP:WC is only for article creations, as far as I know. So do any of you know any Wikipedia projects or forums kinda like the teahouse where I can ask biology questions? Thank u very much :))) Ice bear johny meowy123 08:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ice bear johny. It sounds like what you're looking for is Wikipedia:Reference desk. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

AHHHHHH THANK U VERY MUCHHHHHH

@Ice bear johny: or you could actually do the research yourself online and develop your web-searching skills en route. Try this in Google. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The answers which appear are only for animal cells, which is impertinent considering we're learning photosynthesis in plant cells :(. Thanks for the suggestion though :>>> Ice bear johny meowy123 11:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How do i fix the formatting in Hatpipliya_(Vidhan_Sabha_constituency)

In Hatpipliya_(Vidhan_Sabha_constituency), the 2018 results somehow appear below the references. How do i fix this? MPGuy2823 (talk) 09:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi MPGuy2823 that page was using Template:Election box begin, and so needed to add Template:Election box end at the bottom of the results. When I did this, it looks to be working now. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Joseph2302 for the super-quick response, i've been scratching my head about this for some time MPGuy2823 (talk) 09:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is using "diverse and widespread" words for a religion OK?

Is the following sentence correct according to wp:peacock or otherwise? "The NAME OF RELIGION is a diverse and widespread religion founded by NAME OF THE FOUNDER in the 19th century in NAME OF COUNTRY." Thank you. Serv181920 (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Serv181920, "diverse and widespread" doesn't seem like a good intro to me, and is quite promotional. Anything can be considered "diverse and widespread," so unless it is, say the religion with the most followers, I would not mention its level of diversity. GeraldWL 10:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you.Serv181920 (talk) 14:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How do i search archived teahouse posts?

I assume my questions have been asked before Annemaricole (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemaricole: There's a searchbar on the top of the page, below the "Ask a question" button and above the first question. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: It doesn't seem to work, i posted the question "Article seems to have problems" a while ago but the search bar did not take me too the question. --Annemaricole (talk) 12:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemariecole: It's here: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1082#Article_seems_to_have_problems. Try searching for "Article seems to have problems" with the quotation marks: this searches for exactly that string of text instead of the individual words. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

thanks!--Annemaricole (talk) 12:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemariecole: And when you're unsure what your question exactly was (for example, there might be some typo), try adding your nick to the search term, so that the pages with you signature are preferred as search results.
Compare searching Article seems to have problems Annemaricole results
to searching Article seems to have problems results.
Of course, you need to sign your entries at talk pages to be able to find them later this way. --CiaPan (talk) 13:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Annemariecole: Whenever I want to find the thread(s) of someone who has posted here occasionally (or maybe those of a new Teahaouse host with relatively few edits, thus far) I also simply search on their username alone. But remember that the default way of displaying results is by 'Relevance' - something I find quite useless. So then I remove that, and instead sort the results chronologically, which allows me to see all the archive files in which their name appears, and in numerical order. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

If the 2012 cartoons depicting Muhammad had no copyright, would it be displayed on wikipedia?

This picture: "One cartoon depicted Muhammad as a nude man on all fours with a star covering his anus.[41][42] Another shows Muhammad bending over naked and begging to be admired." Annemaricole (talk) 12:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Charlie Hebdo#2012 cartoons depicting Muhammad

@Annemaricole: If you're proposing to add the two cartoons discussed, you have to make sure you have a clear rationale for it according to WP:NFCCP, specifically with #3a: Minimal number of items (there's already a cover above the section) and #8: Contextual significance (do we need to see the two cartoons to understand?) Note that the Wikipedia is not censored, so the sexual nature of the cartoons isn't necessarily a problem. I would suggest going to the talk page and get consensus before adding the images. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby:, hi, thanks, WP:censored had what i was looking for! "Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so. Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annemaricole (talk • contribs) 12:40, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is this article is not an advertisement?

Hi everyone, i just removed few content from the article Mphasis. I removed only promotional content. But Prolix has undid my edits. I am just curious whether this content is not promotional as i have seen many articles on Wikipedia where this type of content sounds promotional and removed immediately then why not here? 2401:4900:40F6:71BE:24A3:F86E:30E2:3D05 (talk) 12:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC) 2401:4900:40F6:71BE:24A3:F86E:30E2:3D05 (talk) 12:35, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, it seems its because you removed the entire section without context. If you believe its sound promotional, re-write it in a neutral point of view. Le Panini ^Talk 13:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the swift response. OK i added "advert" tag and "Citation Needed" for one sentence. Let see if Prolix undid it or not. 2401:4900:40F6:71BE:24A3:F86E:30E2:3D05 (talk) 13:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

article rejected

Hi, I wanted to know how to improve my article as it was previously rejected. I've added more sources but don't know if it's enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cassandra_Gillespie Dan dk7 (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dan dk7, I believe you should support it with more secondary and tertiary sources.Serv181920 (talk) 14:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Currently, all of the refs are Iron Man comic books, i.e., primary sources. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

TBA

I'm having trouble with the "TBA" template. It's just not showing up for some reason. I'm working on this page in case you'd like to know. Thanks for any help. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 13:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@TrevortniDesserpedx: You need to remove a vertical bar preceding the {{TBA}}. --CiaPan (talk) 13:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

BTW, check the columnspan parameter – shouldn't it be colspan instead...? CiaPan (talk)

(e/c) I fixed it and was going to explain, but see above--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Please help me

I created an article Ruby Roundhouse (Character), but still Ruby Roundhouse redirects to Jumanji: The Next Level. Could someone please remove the redirect--Atlantis77177 (talk) 15:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The correct article title should be "Ruby Roundhouse (Jumanji character)".--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Atlantis77177: I've changed the redirect to lead to the specific subject GOLDIEM J (talk) 15:22, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Declined article

Hello,

I'd like to know why my article was declined and how can I turn it into an eligible one?

Best regards 176.217.41.114 (talk) 15:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It was declined because you failed to show how this subject meets WP:GNG resp. WP:NPRODUCT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi person editing from ...114. I don't think I can say it better than the decline template does at the top of Draft:Forms.app—except to emphasize that each of the blue words appearing in it are links to pages providing more information, and that the crux of the messaqe regards lack of the right type, manner and breadth of sources in relation to the content you posted—proper sourcing being the lifeblood of proper Wikipedia article; providing it is the linchpin of creating an article that will be accepted and can remain without deletion; and that if such sourcing cannot be provided, because the topic has not received suitable coverage, no article is possible. So:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Photo rights

Hello! I see I do not have the privileges needed to add a photo to the article I've just created, which was approved. Is there a way to get the photo approved and added to the article? I do have the rights and could get documentation if needed. Thanks! KECS99 (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Evelyn M. Simpson TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, KECS99, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is the problem you are having? You have successfully uploaded the image, at File:Evelyn M. Simpson.jpg, and there is no reason why you should not be able to insert it into the article. Your previous attempt was to a file which doesn't exist, called File:Evelyn M. Simpson (1885-1963).jpg. However, I am concerned that you describe the picture as "own work": did you take it yourself, before 1963? If not, how do you hold the copyright? And does this indicate that you have a conflict of interest in working on an article about Simpson? --ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, ColinFine! I too felt weird about "own work" but there were no other options? The picture was given to Chanita Goodblatt by Mary Fleay, along with permission to use it; I did not take it. Chanita helped with this article and gave me the picture for it and would, I'm sure, be happy to supply documentation. When I attempt to insert the image, all I see is the file name and not a picture, so I assumed it was a permissions issue. I will try again, not checking the "own work" box and see what happens. OH--while I am here, why does "Evelyn M. Simpson" not autopopulate when I go to wikipedia.com and search for her? Does this come to happen in time?

Initial Wikipedia article about Capt. Baylor Hill.

I am a first time Wikipedia user. I would like to write an initial Wikipedia article about an ancestor of mine (Capt. Baylor Hill) who fought in the American Revolution. He is my 5th great uncle. I will mention in the text of the article that William J. Longan, Jr. (myself) represents Capt. Baylor Hill in The Society of the Cincinnati which is a hereditary organization honoring Revolutionary War officers. In the process of setting up the page, there is a question asking if I am writing an article about myself. I'm not sure how to respond to this. Thank you.

Bill Longan Ltdragoon (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

You are technically not writing about yourself, however you may still have a WP:COI about your uncle. I assume this refers to Wikipedia:Article_wizard/CommonMistakes, the correct button would therefore be the second one (I'm writing about myself, or a close person/subject). Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Why is it notable in an encyclopedic sense that you represent this gentleman in a "hereditary organization"? I don't understand why this information (assuming it can be verified through a reliable secondary source) about you is relevant or appropriate for an article about a Revolutionary veteran. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Logo

Hi All -

I am looking to upload the logo for the organization Heritage Radio Network. I have search for, and found, variations on this question asked many times, and the responses often include an overwhelming amount of information on fair use, etc. This seems to be a clear case of uploading non-free content criteria per the discussion on wikipedia:logos. Can anyone point me to where, exactly, one goes to upload such an item? Or if there are step by step directions for uploading such an image, that would be similarly helpful.

Thank you, Heritage Radio Network (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Heritage Radio Network: First of all, I am uncertain if your username meets WP:NOSHARE. Second, If you work for the organisation in question, please read and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID (the latter is a Terms of Use requirement). For uploading images, I strongely recommend that new users use the File upload wizard or Wikipedia:Files for upload. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

And if you use the Upload Wizard and select "Wikipedia", it will ask you for the justification for uploading non-free content. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Copyrighted Content

Hi, i have a question "If someone copied the entire content from a newly published Wikipedia article A (which is not crawled and index by Google) and paste it on his own website (B), unfortunately this website is crawled and indexed by Google and Wikimedia Copyvio Detector tools started showing the warning that "Article A is copyrighted from the website B. And immediately Wikipedia article A is deleted under WP G12."

Now my question is "Is the deletion of Wikipedia article A is correct?" 2402:3A80:1F45:EF71:70CA:CDAD:E67E:881E (talk) 16:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

No, we would look at the the page history of the Wikipedia article, not the lack of a WP article on Google (whatever Google is) - Arjayay (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay, Thank You for your response. What are your thoughts on this article? It should be deleted under G12 or not? Pete Wentz Copyvio 88% 2402:3A80:1F45:EF71:70CA:CDAD:E67E:881E (talk) 16:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with the sources suggested by earwig, but they look like mirrors (numbers in square brackets) and/or clickbait sites to me. Look at the page history - the bulk of the article has been broadly the same for 8-10 years, and there have been a total of 6,142 edits by 2,814 different editors. For that to be a copyvio would be an amazing feat of co-ordination - Arjayay (talk) 17:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Just for some jargon, this is often called a "backwards copyvio" and it has fooled many a "patroller" and the occasional responding admin, but no, if it is as it appears (no non-free copyrighted content was added to the article—the external sources copied from here), then the copyright is owned by the users shown in the page history under the dual free licenses Wikipedia content bears (CC BY-SA 3.0 and the GFDL)**, no one can make that content "less free", and though Earwig's tool can be very useful, it is ultimately just a "dumb bot", that can't [currently] parse this kind of complication.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
**A technical oversimplification in at least three different ways:
i) only suitably original changes that pass threshold of originality are owned by users shown in the article history;
ii) only content from after June 15th, 2009 is dually-licensed; and
iii) fair use content (such as some quotations and images) may also appear in articles and does not take our licenses.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm an idiot please help me

I've never utilized Wikipedia and need a TON of help so just literally send me the document that shows you how to begin everything Rinoking358 (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rinoking358: try Help:Introduction or WP:ADVENTURE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How to

How do you add a bio on someones name that is on wiki wlready . Im tryingto add a bio isnt working Redrum2021 (talk) 17:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Redrum2021. and welcome to the Teahouse. When we have articles on multiple subjects with the same name, we disambiguate the titles by putting something in parenthesis - a word or two that distinguishes them from others of the same name. But as a new editor embarking on the very difficult task of creating a new article, I would urge you not to worry about the naming: if you use the articles for creation process, when you submit your draft for review, the accepting review will sort out the name of the article. Looking at the drafts you have put on your User talk page (not the right place) and your sandbox (one of the places where it is appropriate), I think you would benefit from reading your first article before you go any further. The very first step in creating any article is to find reliably-published sources that discuss the subject at some length. Writing any of the draft before doing this is like building a house without checking if the land you are building it on can support a house: all your work may be in vain. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Question from 229.109

Question moved from another section to its own. Giraffer ^munch 17:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a version of the Help introduction page that works with my phone? Buttons do nothing. Want to add new image to "Lowell Green" 216.10.229.109 (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Verfication failed. I have yust tried it on my phone and everything seems to work yust fine. Note: while most of the buttons are infact normal links styled as buttons, some require JavaScript. Please check your browser's settings. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Can a Wikipedia Editor please review my Draft Article Submission?

Hello Wikipedia! I'm a new user here, and I'm still in the midst of figuring out how things work. I created a new article draft in my user sandbox today, and I tried to submit it for review. I'm not sure if I did everything correctly, can somebody take a look? In particular, Wikipedia is telling me about a 'Draft' namespace - I'm worried that my page won't be found, if it remains in the sandbox!

If there is any editor who has time to review my article, I would be very grateful for you to take a look. Thank you very much! CygnetRiver (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello CygnetRiver. You have succeeded in submitting it for review: see the message at the bottom. As it says there it may take three months or more, as there is a considerable backlog, and reviewers choose drafts to review as they wish. A couple of things I would suggest you do in the meantime: 1) copy-edit. There are some spelling errors and awkward phraseology. 2) Provide translations of the titles of the sources (use the language and trans-title parameters of the citation templates). 3) Provide a translation of the lyrics (preferably from a published source). -ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, ColinFine! Thank you for reassuring me. I'm still very new to this place, and I'm glad that my article has been successfully submitted. I'd be happy to follow the suggestions that you gave me. Would it be appropriate for me to translate the lyrics from the original German myself? It was very difficult finding an online, canonical source for the lyrics - as many sources are of low quality/user-submitted. Likewise, should I make a translation, would there be a way for me to display the translated lyrics side by side with the original ones? CygnetRiver (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, CygnetRiver. There's some relevant information at WP:POETRY - several sections of that, in fact. Also WP:LYRICS. It occurs to me to wonder whether we can be sure that the lyrics are out of copyright. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

What is the criteria for adding a picture to an article?

What is the criteria for adding a picture to an article? I would like to add a picture to Cignature's info box but I've noticed on a lot of articles, the info box pictures are taken by others from afar and are somewhat blurry, instead of being a more professional looking picture taken by people close (both physically and affiliation wise) to the people in the picture. Are more professional pictures not allowed? Hihelloitisi (talk) 17:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hihelloitisi. This area can get very technical, and we would need to know more specifics about the actual image you wanted to add, to fully tailor an answer. Here's some broad rules of thumb: We greatly prefer free images over non-free ("free" referring to copyright ownership); we do allow some images to be used under a claim of fair use, but they must meet the multiple strict requirements of the fair use criteria; with some rare exceptions, images of living people cannot be used here at all under fair use; and fair use images, in order to comply with that doctrine, must be of relatively low resolution.

For these reasons, the only usable images available to us for many subjects are either professional images that have been intentionally reduced in quality, or (especially with respect to living people), photos taken in person by Wikipedia/Wikimedia users, who then agree to release their copyright—either into the public domain or, more commonly, under a suitably-free copyright license (such photos are usually and properly then uploaded to our sister project, the Wikimedia Commons rather than to Wikipedia)—as opposed to the professional produced but non-free images you will see at many other websites. I hope that adequately explains why you may encounter so many pictures here of less than professional quality. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How to include photo in Draft page

Hi, I am currently working on "Draft:Pratik Sen" page. I am unable to add an Image of him in the Infobox artist section. Can you please explain the process of adding photo in the wiki page? PhotonSplit (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

PhotonSplit, Have you uploaded the image on Commons or through FUW? ─ The Aafī (^talk) 18:32, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@TheAafi: he has tried uploading to Commons, but was stopped by an edit filter. @PhotonSplit: I can see from the fillter log that you marked the file as {{own}}. Is this realy your photo, i.e. You are the one that originally created it? Note that you dont get the legal owner of an image by downloading it from Facebook (or any other internet website).

@TheAafi and PhotonSplit: forgot so sign. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

(For a page tailored to the above possible issue, please see Wikipedia:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work".)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

What could be the valid source of photo of an actor to upload in the wiki page? Can I take a snap from his film and upload the same? Any other valid sources?

Trying to remove Promotional content label

I am trying to remove the "tag" of promotional content from this page for Melinda L. Estes, MD. I am very new to this so I am not sure I am understanding what I need to do. I believe it was because I had a link back to a press release on our website. I have now removed that source, but the flag seems to still be there. Will this auto-update in time? Thank you, Esther Grenz Egrenz (talk) 19:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

How to include photo in Draft page

I am working on wiki page "Draft:Pratik Sen". I understand that I can not download a photo of the person I am working on from his facebook profile. Please help me to guide what could be the valid sources of photo of an actor to upload in the wiki page? Can I take a snap from his film/television serial and upload the same? Any other valid sources? PhotonSplit (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)PhotonSplit