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Next.js

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Does not meet WP:GNG.

Source review:

[1], appears to be a crowdsourced site, not reliable
[2] largely just an interview with one of the subject's creators, not independent
[3] company website
[4] unclear whether this should be considered independent or not, as the author is a Google employee, although they claim to have no direct connection to this project.
[5], [6], [7], [8] Routine coverage of software updates that look like thinly veiled press releases
[9] How-to that mentions Next.js but isn't significant coverage

Searching online I was able to find similar routine coverage, but no significant independent analysis. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Next.js is a fast-growing framework with a medium-to-high number of users,[10] being used (and financed!) by major high-traffic sites. That volume and visibility has to leave some trace in the newsphere; this is not your run-of-the-mill obscure library with little support from unknow authors. Vercel and Next.js have been noticed by Forbes,[11] german tech site t3n, [12][13] and other independent sources with some technical or contextual analysis. [14] [15]

Also I find trouble in nominator's argument that an interview with the author is not independent coverage. That would be the case if the interview was published by a media source controlled by the same or a connected company, but I don't see how that's the case with StackOverflow. An interview published by a third party is subject to independent editorial control, and provides evidence that the topic has been found interesting enough by an independent publisher to the point of giving it significant coverage in their website. Diego (talk) 09:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

speedy keep, You forgot Nuxt.js which is based on Next and has less user share, but there's also AngularJS. I think the article is notable according to WP:NSOFT, with just those referencs supplied above. The references the article makes isn't a good reason to delete it, we can find others. Deleting the article would be unacceptable, at most Next.js could be merged into React (web framework) and Nuxt.js could be merged into Vue.js (AngularJS is definitely notable). This brings up a whole list of problems, though, and we would probably need to create a new page titled List of Node.js frameworks. Footlessmouse (talk) 09:33, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

edit vote to speedy keep - subject of multiple independent published and printed instruction books as per 3rd notability option on WP:NSOFT. See Google Books results above; here are a couple, which suffice, on their own, to establish notability.^[1]^[2]^[3] Footlessmouse (talk) 09:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC) Footlessmouse (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Konshin, Kirill (2018-07-26). Next.js Quick Start Guide: Server-side rendering done right. Packt Publishing Ltd. ISBN 978-1-78899-584-9.
^ Boduch, Adam (2020-07-28). Next.js in Action. Manning Publications. ISBN 978-1-61729-774-8.
^ Mohan, Mehul (2020-02-26). Advanced Web Development with React: SSR and PWA with Next.js using React with advanced concepts. BPB Publications. ISBN 978-93-89423-59-4.

Oppose -Xbony2 (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Originally closed as Keep but relisted after objections from multiple users on my talk page about the quality of sources provided by the voters. Hoping to see more analysis of sources with respect to notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | [confess] || 20:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The online sources provided thus far are equally poor quality to the ones I analyzed at the outset. The written books' authors don't appear to be widely cited, and the publishing houses aren't exactly O'Reilly Media. Leafing through the two books whose previews I was able to open, they seem to be full of poorly-written, unrestrained praise such as Next.js is a rising star of modern JavaScript. It is a powerful tool that can save a lot of time by doing all the under-the-hood processing required to bring a universal applications [sic] to life (page 1 of Next.js Quick Start Guide) or from [Next.js]'s official site, here are some points explaining why it's a good choice (second page of Chapter 6 of Advanced Web Development with React). I don't see any indication that these books contain any analysis of the subject beyond how-to information and lists of benefits that may as well be PR copy. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Um??? Did you not read WP:NSOFT? It says it qualifies if it meets one of the criteria and it explicitly lists being the subject of multiple instruction books as one of the possibilities. There is no room for interpretation there. Footlessmouse (talk) 21:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Footlessmouse, NSOFT is an essay not policy. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Wow, I feel dumb about that, I can't believe I didn't notice that. I strike my vote and have no real policy arguments. My statement about forgetting Nust.js stands. If this page is to be deleted, you must delete that one as well, which is objectively far less notable. Footlessmouse (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note I still strongly oppose this delete. I furthermore believe no one even moderately familiar with the topic (or web editing in general) will be likely to agree it should be deleted. It is not only notable in that area, it is absolutely and unobjectionably vital to it. So here is the grand policy: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules if the common rules for GNC get in the way of improving or maintaining the encyclopedia, policy dictates they must be ignored. Those familiar with the topic realize it is hard to find ill-defined reliable sources for certain topics in freeware, but enough information exists to leave it as at least a stub for now. Also, the previews you have access to do not allow you to determine whether the books are reliable, even if multiple mistake were found. The quality of the intro is irrelevant to the book and is obviously there to help make sales. Anyways, I highly doubt you will get the votes to remove the article and I firmly believe that it is anti-productive to keep it cycling through AfD. Thanks. Footlessmouse (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Konshin, Kirill (2018-07-26). Next.js Quick Start Guide: Server-side rendering done right. Packt Publishing Ltd. ISBN 978-1-78899-584-9.

[2] Boduch, Adam (2020-07-28). Next.js in Action. Manning Publications. ISBN 978-1-61729-774-8.

[3] Mohan, Mehul (2020-02-26). Advanced Web Development with React: SSR and PWA with Next.js using React with advanced concepts. BPB Publications. ISBN 978-93-89423-59-4.

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