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White supremacist tone

The Original wikipedia article has racist article tone. The article skips over the ancent Egyptian (Khemetic), Mayan, Persian, Nubian astronomy, and cosmology and only gives the white Greek, and white European astronomy facts and scientists. We need not wonder why racism exists, one major component is via educational documents that only highlight supposedly white-skinned scientists, thinkers, history, etc. 2604:2000:DDD1:4900:2195:4268:CD03:6B48 (talk) 10:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources to support the expansion you are looking for? Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 13:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Such info is outside the scope of this article; it would be better placed in Discovery and exploration of the Solar System or Planet#Mythology and naming Serendipodous 14:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Can we add a visual schematic (maybe in the Visual Summary section)?

Schematic Summary

This is a summary of Solar System objects, including symbol, approximate relative size, whether or not there is a ring system or round moons, object type, and distance from the Sun in AU.

Siznax (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Appreciate the work, but it has issues. The size images don't make a lot of visual sense, particularly for the non-planets. As for the planets, I have no idea where you got their relative sizes from, but they're way off. The astronomical symbols aren't that relevant to the Solar System as a whole, and it doesn't really give a sense of what the Solar System is like. Serendipodous 17:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Also: Plutoids are TNOS, and the symbol is for Pluto only, not the group. Tbayboy (talk) 18:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Haha. I'm sure someone else can do a better job. I've found a schematic like this useful for helping learners understand what kinds of things are in the solar system (versus deep sky objects), which planets have rings and round moons, where non-planet-like things are (roughly), and how far away from the sun everything is. The idea is just to have a visual summary. The symbols are helpful for them to know so they can read a solar system configuration diagram like John Walker's Solar System Live (https://www.fourmilab.ch/solar/) Siznax (talk) 03:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Major moons in the Solar System
This table is misleading and does not strike me as adding much comprehension of the Solar System. The existing explanations and renderings of relative sizes and distances are pretty good. The article lacks a summary view of moons but that certainly can't be dumbed down to a series of dots as proposed. I'd suggest writing a short section excerpted from List of natural satellites and illustrating it with File:Moons_of_solar_system_v7.jpg — JFG talk 12:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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Edit request - number of satellites in infobox.

173 ---> 175.

Two new moons of Jupiter.

8.40.151.110 (talk) 23:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Double sharp (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Another one.

Further down, it says Jupiter has 67 known satellites.

This needs to be updated to 69. 8.40.151.110 (talk) 13:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Done. Serendipodous 14:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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Value of Astronomical Unit

In the "Distances and scales" section, it reads "The distance from Earth to the Sun is 1 astronomical unit (150,000,000 km), or AU." I feel that this should either be changed to the precise value given in the linked 'Astronomical_unit' article (149 597 870 700 metres (or 149,597,870.7 km)), or prefaced with 'approximately'. I'm unfamiliar with the "{ {convert|1|AU|km|lk=on} }" form though, and don't have time to investigate further. Photastro (talk) 06:18, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2018

Pluto is not counted as a planet. Pluto is not counted as a planet because of its gas and dust with make is so small. Pluto is only small because there is no water or oxygen there is only gas and dust witch makes it smaller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8D:8900:C8CF:AC35:D676:84C7:1755 (talk) 13:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

No that is not why Pluto is not a planet, which is odd because this article explains why. Just read footnote e. Serendipodous 14:14, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2018

Can you find a picture of the solar system that includes dwarf planets, moons, and small solar system bodies to show that the solar system is more than the sun and eight planets for the infobox picture? 2601:183:101:58D0:21FA:6823:6996:3DB1 (talk) 22:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Can you? Brycehughes (talk) 23:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Not done: Your request consists only of a vague request to add, update, modify, or improve an image, or is a request to include an image that is hosted on an external site. If you want an image changed, you must identify a specific image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. —KuyaBriBriTalk 02:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

What do you think about changing the infobox image to Planets2008.jpg because it includes the dwarf planets? Then, for the moons of the solar system, what do you think about adding either Small bodies of the Solar System.jpg or Moons of solar system v7.jpg somewhere in the article? 2601:183:101:58D0:B8AB:BDAF:E94A:EBC8 (talk) 19:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Planets2008.jpg was replaced with Planets2013.svg (it is the same image) as it is an .svg version and better quality. Unless you are willing to do the same thing, but include the moons, I don't think reverting back to Planets2008.jpg is constructive.
With regards to Small bodies of the Solar System.jpg and Moons of solar system v7.jpg: these images are already in the article List_of_natural_satellites and since this article doesn't have a section on moons and plenty of other appropriate images I think these additions are unnecessary. Waddie96 (talk) 11:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Change of source for number of comets & minor planets/asteroids

The current source for this data is the Jet Propulsion Laboratory summary page. The numbers however lag behind that of the Minor Planet Centre's running totals (with much greater and finer level of details). For example, as of the moment I type, the JPC shows 3519 comets & 759,564 mnor planets while the MPC shows 4015 comets and 761,641 minor planets. Since keeping track of these classes of objects, and their accounting on behalf of IAU is the function of the MPC, I propose that the source be changed from JPL to MPC. AshLin (talk) 20:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

The data is a moving target, so I'm not clear how the value can be confirmed. Otherwise, sure, why not? The MPC more than satisfies the requirement for a reliable source. Praemonitus (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The JPL page is of an informatory or educative nature. The MPC page appears to provide an uptodate (probably realtime) counter which can be referred to for very latest state of data by the reader. I'm not certain how frequently and when the JPL page is updated. AshLin (talk) 12:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Either of those sources is fine, as long as it's clear which one is being used. The numbers will continue to increase, so the exact value isn't really that important, just giving the readers a rough idea. Modest Genius talk 16:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:08, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Solar System → Solar system – MOS:CELESTIALBODIES says that sun, earth, moon and solar system are capitalized when used in an astronomical context, otherwise they are not capitalized. I am in doubt whether solar system should be capitalized because there aren't any uses of the term outside of astronomical use. When it is used some sources like NASA and National Geographic capitalize it. Other sources like Britannica and many dictionaries don't capitalize it. I started a discussion right here to discuss your opinions about this topic. You are also welcome to discuss your opinions in this move request as well. 2601:183:101:58D0:C42:6782:E868:A0D0 (talk) 21:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

We had this discussion years ago. Double capitalisation won, and a footnote was added explaining the capitalisation issue. Beyond that I don't think there's anything else we can do. Serendipodous 22:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes it was closed as move but that was in September 2006 in which was noted a slim majority. It could very well be possible that though have changed in over a decade and I see it as worthwhile to see if the original consensus still holds.--69.157.253.30 (talk) 23:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Let's close this as a good faith attempt to move an accepted proper name, per MOS:Celestial bodies. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Please don't close anything and let the RM run its course. It's a good-faith proposal, the discussion at WT:MOS was procedurally closed, and this page seems to be the right place to decide. Also, consensus can change. (I don't have an opinion on the substance of the proposal). No such user (talk) 10:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
No, it wasn't. The redundant WP:TALKFORK opened at WT:MOSCAPS was procedurally closed. The WT:MOS#Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2018 thread is still open. The request to change the guideline was rejected by someone (at least for now), but no one hatted the thread. And forum-shopping the same idea to three different pages back-to-back isn't a good-faith proposal, its an attempt to WP:WIN by gaming the system and trying to evade opposition. We don't permit this shotgun technique for good reasons: anyone could propose some pet idea on 10 or 50 pages, and claim "victory" if one of them closed their preferred way.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:39, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. This is a total mis-reading of MoS, as has already been explained to this anon at WT:MOS. This is precisely the kind of case where MoS expects this to be capitalized. If we end up also having an article on solar systems around other stars, then that one would not be capitalized because it'd be a common-noun-phrase usage, and not about the Solar System (ours, a proper name).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per SMcCandlish. If we're going to do a formal vote (kind of like an RM on lower-casing Madrid) then I hope snow is in the forecast. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • This should be speedily closed as forum-shopping. The anon tried to get this change made, by changing the guideline, at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2018, and this was rejected. They then tried to do the same at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Solar System capitalization and got no support at all. This third attempt to get one's way without support – and more to the point after a repeat showing of no support – borders on disruptive.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support – nom may be forum shopping, and I expect it's a lost cause, but SMcCandlish should read his own essay WP:SSF and realize that this capitalization is just a specialist style of the astronomy community – not counting NASA, whose style guide says not to cap it. Dicklyon (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
    I don't necessarily disagree it's a specialized style, broadly speaking, but it's not fallacious here because the editorial community decided to accept it a long time ago (the fallacy in SSF is "WP has to accept this because we specialists prefer it this way, therefore WP is wrong if they don't follow suit", followed by disruptive antics when the community doesn't buy into it), and there's no indication consensus has changed on this. It's also semantically meaningful. If I say "The sun was hotter on 14 May 2018 than on the same date in 2017 and 2016", you have no idea whether I mean the solar body was emitting more radiation and we measured that from space, or whether I mean that in my location on the ground, the heat generated by sunlight was unusually high this year (perhaps owing to atmospheric or other non-solar conditions). If people want to make a change in this regard, it shouldn't be to carve out one strange exception from a general rule, after two prior proposals for the same carve-out already died on the table just a few days ago. Maybe try an RfC about the entire class of astronomical bodies.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
    Like I said, it's a lost cause. Dicklyon (talk) 03:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
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comprehensive graphic

Would someone support the integration of this comprehensive graphic about the major objects in the Solar System?

For example instead of this graphic in the infobox.

--Beinahegut (talk) 18:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

The major objects in the Solar System

It's a nice graphic, but I don't think it's suitable for the infobox -- it is too finely detailed, and needs to be enlarged (from infobox size) to see it. It would be good in the Distances and scales section, possibly replacing one of the other two.
One typo though (or missed translation): It says "1 AE (149.9 MIL km)", should be "1 AU". Tbayboy (talk) 03:55, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
It's not particularly suitable to the distances and scales section, because it isn't based on any scale. Serendipodous 07:58, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. But anyway; I have corrected the mistake.

About the use: I know there are better graphics for specific topics like the distances and scales section. But here's my point, there isn't any graphic which combines it all. --Beinahegut (talk) 08:32, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I think this diagram would make an excellent illustration of the Structure and composition section. The picture that is there (a rendering of the 8 major planets) could be placed elsewhere, for example at "Outer planets". — JFG talk 09:24, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes this section would fit (@JFG:). Another suggestion: May be it would fit in this box about the Solar System - objects?

I know there are very fine and small details in this graphic. But at first glance you obviously see what's it about and then if you want to know more, you can enlarge it anyway (and zoom in...). --Beinahegut (talk) 17:54, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Put it in the "Distances and scales" section, with WP:Gallery markup as a stand-alone, article-width image. It's very nice, but it's way too big for an infobox or a sidebar image.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Agree to make this article-wide, but still a better fit for the beginning of the "Structure and composition" section. "Distances and scales" already has a very good article-wide image and an article-wide graph, both of which are specifically focused on distances and scales, whereas this illustration is more generic in coverage, and functions well as a global overview of the Solar System. — JFG talk 03:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the "Distances and scales"-section has very good images. I think this section does not need any further graphics. --Beinahegut (talk) 11:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
"Structure and composition" works for me, too.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:20, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Two cents on the graphic - its unreadable as a thumb, its unreadable on its image page, its unreadable when bumped up to 1024px across. Font size and judicious editing would fix a bit of it but its missing a few things: no Oort cloud, Asteroid and Kuiper belt not to scale <--- all could be added to scale chart at bottom. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I uploaded a newer version of the graphic. Updates:

PS: I don't think including the Oort cloud would make sense. In most graphics about the Solar Systems - and also in those at the "Distances and scales"-section - the Oort cloud isn't included. You have to stop at one point with a graphic and if you include this region you have to include others and other objekts ... it would never end. --Beinahegut (talk) 12:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that's already better. Further suggestions:
  • Increase the font size again for all satellites; they are hard to read even at full screen width. You can alternate left/right placement of the names to avoid clutter while making the text large enough.
  • Remove the explanatory text under "The Solar System"; place it in a caption instead.
I agree that stopping at the Kuiper belt is fine. — JFG talk 12:49, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I increased the font size of the satellites and planets again. Do you (@JFG:) mean I should place the description in the caption on the file page like I did it now. Or should I place the description somewhere else in the graphic? --Beinahegut (talk) 16:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


So, no integration of this proposed graphic? Is the discussion over jet, or is there someone who would support the integration of the graphic, in its current version?
Or are there further suggestions to improve the graphic?
So many questions ; ) --Beinahegut (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
@Beinahegut: I think you can insert the illustration now, at the top of the "Structure and composition" section, with a caption explaining what is illustrated and any relevant details to help with a quick understanding. Further changes can occur via the normal editing process. Probably your version of 10 July is better, without lots of text inside, that can go in the caption instead. Thanks for your contribution! — JFG talk 23:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I have inserted the graphic now in the "Structure and composition" section. Therefore I moved the rendering which was in this section before, to the "Outer planets" section. In this section I removed the existing rendering, which was redundant.
another question: I noticed, while editing the site, that this "Solar System sidebar" (the one with the objects, lists and planets) messes up the whole layout. All the pictures move downwards and are not in there sections anymore. Could this sidebar maybe be moved or arrange differently or deleted (it is a bit redundant, because there is a content bar anyway)--Beinahegut (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I have improved the layout and modified the caption, hope this helps. The sidebar does not disturb layout on my device: it is displayed to the right of the table of contents, which itself is rather long. — JFG talk 19:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, it looks good now. --Beinahegut (talk) 12:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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IAU definition of "planet"

The IAU definitions of "planet" and "dwarf planet" have too much weight in this article. For example, throughout the article, "the 8 planets" are referenced (which is part of the IAU definition). More weight should be given to the geophysical definition of "planet"; under this definition, large moons (such as Titan) are considered planets ("satellite planets"), and dwarf planets are considered planets (because they have enough gravity to be spherical). LumaP15 (talk) 01:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

The geological definition of planet is an idea of Alan Stern, and has the backing of no official organizations. If the IUGS approves the definition, then absolutely it will be put in here, but not until then. Serendipodous 07:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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2014 UZ224?

what would warrant inclusion of 2014 UZ224 in this article? Or is it just that no one has gotten around to it? Wingspan Shadow (talk) 15:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

What's notable about it to warrant inclusion here? It's just a mid-sized SDO. It's not here for the same reasons, e.g., Salacia and Varda are absent. Tbayboy (talk) 02:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Problem with this article

I did a change to this article for a mistake of data about the nearest planetary system to the solar system, but I did some bad process and the article is wrong right now. I need help to fix it. I do not know to do it. I am sorry. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nosttradamuz (talk • contribs) 01:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

It's not a mistake. The nearest planetary system is Proxima Centauri's, as the article states. It is also the nearest star. The only known planet or disc in the AC star system only orbits Proxima. Tbayboy (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

INNER PLANETS!

The inner planets of the solar system are also called terrestrial planets, and include Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. They are mostly made up of silicate rock and metals and have solid surfaces. Earth is the only one of the inner planets to liquid oceans but some believe that Mars once did as well. The atmosphere of the inner planets ranges from very thin to very thick. The inner planets orbit the closest to the Sun, and Earth is the only one with known life. Some believe that Mars may have supported life at one point, but proof has not been found. Venus and Mercury are not hospitable to life and it is believed that life has never existed there. Facts About The Terrestrial Planets! The terrestrial planets in our solar system orbit relatively close to the Sun, this gives them their other name; the “Inner Planets” Earth is the most hospitable to life. Mars may have supported life in the past, but there is no evidence that conditions have ever been life-friendly on Mercury or Venus. Each of the terrestrial planets has a central core made mostly of iron. The layer above the core is called the “mantle” and is usually made of silicate rocks. These are rocks rich in silicon and oxygen. The terrestrial planets are also sometimes referred to as the “rocky” planets. The surfaces of terrestrial planets have mountains, craters, canyons, and volcanoes. About 75% of Earth’s surface is covered in water. Both Mars and Earth have permanent polar ice caps. None of the terrestrial planets in our solar system have ring systems. Planetary scientists suspect that they may once have had rings that have since disappeared. There is one dwarf planet considered to be terrestrial-type world: Ceres. It has a rocky core and an outer mantle, with surface features such as craters and mountains. Terrestrial planets exist around other stars. Data from the Kepler mission suggest Earth-sized and so-called “super-Earth” worlds exist throughout the galaxy. There could be up to 40 billion such exoplanets in the Milky Way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.31.211 (talk) 04:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

Asteroid belt

The asteroid belt is a region of space between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter where most of the asteroids in our Solar System are found orbiting the Sun. The asteroid belt probably contains millions of asteroids.

Asteroid belt facts

.The asteroid belt is a disc shape, located between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. .The asteroids are made of rock and metal and are all irregularly shaped. .Most of the asteroids in the Main Belt are made of rock and stone, but a small portion of them contain iron and nickel metals. The remaining asteroids are made up of a mix of these, along with carbon-rich materials. .Because the asteroid belt is between the Mars and Jupiter orbits, it is around 2.2 to 3.2 Astronomical Units (AU) from the Sun – which is approximately 329,115,316 to 478,713,186 km. The average distance between objects is a massive 600,000 miles.

Asteroid belt size

The Asteroid Belt is located in an area of space between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. That places it between 2.2 and 3.2 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun. The belt is about 1 AU thick. The average distance between objects in the Asteroid Belt is quite large. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.31.211 (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

added geological schematic of MU69

I assume my adding this to the formation of the SS section was appropriate. It's the most important discovery relating to the formation of the SS since the demonstration of exoplanets. — kwami (talk) 18:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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