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Edit Request on 31-JAN-2019

Edit request for references - Partly done

In the section on "History" and/or under the "Releases and Versions" section, please add the following sources as reference for the claim that Oracle Version 2 (released in 1979) was the "first commercially available SQL-Based Relational DBMS".

As noted in these sources, IBM's System/R and SEQUEL pre-dated Oracle V2, but those were not commercial products.

Thanks Ccraft us (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to profoundly modify this page because it is way too much overloaded with old information and not up to date ones. It needs to be also more consistent with the French version of this page as well as the Exadata page. The TOC needs to be redone and I'll post a new request shortly.

~~First, would it be possible for me to add the following paragraph to the introduction at the top of the page ?~~

One of the important goal of the Oracle Database is to build cutting edge technologies like Multitenancy, JSON, Analytics, Machine Learning, Blockchain, and many more, directly within a converged infrastructure to greatly simplify applications' development and deployment.

~~Thanks to let me know.~~

~~JFVerrier (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier~~ (Struck request duplicated in following paragraph for clarity). Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Citation at the Klagenfurt university has been, embelished, archived and added; I have not done the same for he reference from the Oracle website. Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request on Sep 29 2019

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Add the following paragraph to the introduction at the top of the page: One of the important goal of the Oracle Database is to build cutting edge technologies like Multitenancy, JSON, Analytics, Machine_learning, Blockchain, and many more, directly within a converged infrastructure to greatly simplify applications' development and deployment.

   Explanation of issue: This is one of the most important goals of the Oracle Database and it is missing in the article.
   References supporting change: Minute 37:22 from Video delivered by Juan Loaiza (Oracle EVP System Technology)

JFVerrier (talk) 12:17, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Edit Request - 1 on 30-Sept-2019: Rename paragraph "Releases and versions"

I'd like to rename paragraph-subheading1 "Releases and versions" as paragraph-heading "Evolution" . This change will match the paragraph name "Evolution" that exists in Oracle Exadata wikipedia page.

Thanks to let me know. JFVerrier (talk) 08:54, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Edit Request - 2 on 30-Sept-2019: Move paragraph "Evolution"

I'd like to move paragraph-heading "Evolution" (formerly renamed in Edit Request - 1 on 30-Sept-2019: Rename paragraph "Releases and versions") before paragraph-heading "Use" . This change will match the TOC structure of Oracle Exadata wikipedia page.

Thanks to let me know.

JFVerrier (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Edit Request - 3 on 30-Sept-2019: Replace lists of features separated by commas by lists

I'd like to replace lists of features separated by commas, by lists, in the table in paragraph-heading "Evolution" (formerly renamed in Edit Request - 1 on 30-Sept-2019: Rename paragraph "Releases and versions"), in column “Marquee Features”, as follows:

Concurrency control, data distribution, and scalability,
==>
Concurrency control
Data distribution
Scalability

Row-level locking, scalability, online backup and recovery, PL/SQL. First version available for Novell Netware 386.
==>
Row-level locking
Scalability
Online backup and recovery
PL/SQL. First version available for Novell Netware 386.

PL/SQL stored procedures, Triggers, Distributed 2-phase commit, Shared Cursors, Cost Based Optimizer
==>
PL/SQL stored procedures
Triggers
Distributed 2-phase commit
Shared Cursors
Cost Based Optimizer

Shared Server, XA Transactions, Transparent Application Failover
==>
Shared Server
XA Transactions
Transparent Application Failover

Recovery Manager, Partitioning. First version available for Linux.
==>
Recovery Manager
Partitioning
First version available for Linux

Native internet protocols and Java, Virtual Private Database
==>
Native internet protocols and Java
Virtual Private Database

Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC), Oracle XML DB
==>
Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC)
Oracle XML DB

Advanced Queuing, Data Mining, Streams, Logical Standby
==>
Advanced Queuing
Oracle Data Mining
Streams
Logical Standby

Automated Database Management, Automatic Database Diagnostic Monitor, Grid infrastructure, Oracle ASM, Flashback Database
==>
Automated Database Management
Automatic Database Diagnostic Monitor
Grid infrastructure
Oracle ASM
Flashback Database

Real Application Testing, Database Vault, Online Indexing, Advanced Compression, Data Guard Fast-Start Failover, Transparent Data Encryption
==>
Real Application Testing
Database Vault
Online Indexing
Advanced Compression
Data Guard Fast-Start Failover
Transparent Data Encryption

Active Data Guard, Secure Files, Exadata
==>
Active Data Guard
Secure Files
Exadata

Edition Based Redefinition, Data Redaction, Hybrid Columnar Compression, Cluster File System, Golden Gate Replication, Database Appliance
==>
Edition Based Redefinition
Data Redaction
Hybrid Columnar Compression
Cluster File System
Golden Gate Replication
Database Appliance

Multitenant architecture, In-Memory Column Store, Native JSON, SQL Pattern Matching, Database Cloud Service
==>
Multitenant architecture
In-Memory Column Store (Column-oriented DBMS)
Native JSON (JSON)
SQL Pattern Matching
Zero Data Loss Recovery Appliance
Database Cloud Service

Native Sharding, Zero Data Loss Recovery Appliance, Exadata Cloud Service, Cloud at Customer
==>
Native Sharding
Exadata Cloud Service
Cloud at Customer

Polymorphic Table Functions, Active Directory Integration
==>
Online Database Encryption
In-Memory Indexes for Key-Value Lookups
Approximate Aggregations
Polymorphic Table Functions
Active Directory Integration

Active Data Guard DML Redirection, Automatic Index Creation, Real-Time Statistics Maintenance, SQL Queries on Object Stores, In-Memory for IoT Data Streams, and many more.
==>
In-Memory for IoT Streaming
Automatic Index Creation
Real-Time Statistics Maintenance
SQL Queries on Object Stores
Issue DML on Active Data Guard

Thanks to let me know.

JFVerrier (talk) 09:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Edit Request - 4 on 30-Sept-2019: Rename paragraph "Oracle Database Deployment"

I'd like to rename paragraph-heading "Oracle Database Deployment" as paragraph-heading " Oracle Database Use Cases" .

Thanks to let me know.

JFVerrier (talk) 09:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Edit Requests

Can I respectfully suggest people with WP:COI please use Template:Request edit when making edit requests to this article identified as mid-high importance by WikiProjects when they will usually be evaluated by specialists in this area. Also please appreciate the volunteers in this area often do not appreciate using their volunteer time to fix the issue from paid professionals. As with level 0 backups and restores of databases it is often better to practice and get success on small examples before moving into the 10 Terrabyte range. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for driving me through the Wikipedia processes but you understood that I am brand new to this exercise. My intention is only to provide accurate technical information to the audience despite the fact that I have a COI. I am following your recommendations and will now create edit request using the right template. I understand that this is a lot of work for both of us, but what can we do?

With my kindest regards, JFVerrier (talk) 12:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Edit Request - 5 on 30-Sept-2019: Update content in paragraph "Database Cloud Services"

I'd like to add in paragraph-subheading1 “Database Cloud Services” the following sentences at the last place: Oracle Cloud provides a set of data management services built on self-driving Oracle Autonomous Database technology to deliver automated patching, upgrades, and tuning, including performing all routine database maintenance tasks while the system is running, without human intervention.

Bulleted list item

Oracle Autonomous Data Warehouse (ADW) provides you an easy-to-use, fully autonomous data warehousing environment that scales elastically, delivers fast query performance and requires no database administration.

Bulleted list item

Oracle Autonomous Transaction Processing (ATP) delivers a self-driving, self-securing, self-repairing database service that can instantly scale to meet demands of mission critical transaction processing and mixed workload applications.

Thanks to let me know.

JFVerrier (talk) 10:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Reply 30-SEP-2019

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Edit Request - 0 on 30-Sept-2019: Add Goal sentence in the first paragrah of the Oracle Database

Add Goal sentence in the first paragraph

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Information to be added: Please add the following claim as the last sentence of the first paragraph :

"One of the important goal of the Oracle Database is to build cutting edge technologies like Multitenancy, JSON, Analytics, Machine_learning, Blockchain, and many more, directly within a converged infrastructure to greatly simplify applications' development and deployment."

right after

"Oracle Database (commonly referred to as Oracle RDBMS or simply as Oracle) is a proprietary multi-model database[4] management system produced and marketed by Oracle Corporation." It is a database commonly used for running online transaction processing (OLTP), data warehousing (DW) and mixed (OLTP & DW) database workloads. The latest generation, Oracle Database 19c, is available on-prem, on-cloud, or in a hybrid-Cloud environment. 19c may also be deployed on Oracle Engineered Systems (e.g. Exadata) on-prem, on Oracle (public) cloud or (private) cloud at customer.[5] At Openworld 2017 in San Francisco, Executive Chairman of the Board and CTO, Larry Ellison announced the next database generation, Oracle Autonomous Database.[6] "

Explanation of the change: This is one of the most important goals of the Oracle Database and it is missing in the article.

References supporting change: Minute 37:22 from Video delivered by Juan Loaiza (Oracle EVP System Technology)

JFVerrier (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Why is this goal important? Who (other than Oracle employees) say so? Why are those technologies cutting edge? Who says so? - MrOllie (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks MrOllie, you are asking questions that could be asked for many if not all of the sentences I can read on this article.

For example, take the very first opening sentence that says "Oracle Database (commonly referred to as Oracle RDBMS or simply as Oracle) is a proprietary multi-model database[4] management system produced and marketed by Oracle Corporation."

Regarding "commonly referred to as ORACLE RDBMS or simply Oracle": who say so?

Regarding multi-model a reference number 4 here is given to an Oracle document. So that is said by Oracle employees no?

Why this went through and mine would not ?

This is exactly the same reasoning, no?

Sorry to ask but I am very new to this world and would sincerely like to add value to this article.

Would the following be better?

"The Oracle Database builds many technologies like Multitenancy, JSON, Analytics, Machine_learning, Blockchain, and many more, directly within a converged infrastructure to simplify applications' development and deployment." and making a reference to the video I refered too originally? at minute 37:22 https://www.oracle.com/openworld/on-demand.html?bcid=6087202381001

Thanks to let me know.

JFVerrier (talk) 17:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Reply 30-SEP-2019

One of the important goal [sic] of the Oracle Database is to build cutting edge technologies like Multitenancy, JSON, Analytics, Machine_learning, Blockchain, and many more, directly within a converged infrastructure to greatly simplify applications' development and deployment. This claim statement has several issues, 2 of which MrOllie mentioned. Another issue is that this appears to be a statement of the company's goals. Describing the object of a company's ambitions or efforts, as well as descriptions of its aims and its desired results, are ultimately not the purpose of the article.

The article is meant primarily to be an accounting of what the company has done — i.e., what it has produced, sold, and encountered as an institution existing in a business marketplace. The realm of the real, or actual, is what Wikipedia deals in, as in what actually occurred during a business's existence. The realm of ideas — such as hopes, desires, goals and aspirations are not the purpose of a Wikipedia page assigned to cover a business.

Now one could say that instead of meaning to write "goals", what was actually meant was to merely describe what the "purposes" of the Oracle database is,^[a] and then to list the technologies used by the company, in order to imply that the company's tech does what it's supposed to do....One of the important goal(s) of the Oracle Database is to build cutting edge technologies like Multitenancy...to greatly simplify applications' development is really just saying "The goal of the company is to deliver efficient technology such as project X, a project which carries out its duties efficiently", which is a nice roundabout way of complimenting and thereby promoting the company's products twice in one sentence, which is also not the purpose of the article. Regards, Spintendo 18:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ A purpose is just another way of saying a goal.

Absolutely agree with you. The thing is that all these technologies are already there in the database. So I should rephrase this to list what is in there currently. Will do it soon. Thanks JFVerrier (talk) 20:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

Reply 01-OCT-2019

I suggest adding the following claim as the last sentence of the first paragraph :
"The Oracle Database integrates in a secure, highly efficient and available converged infrastructure the following technologies to simplify applications' development and deployment by avoiding polyglot persistence:

right after

"Oracle Database (commonly referred to as Oracle RDBMS or simply as Oracle) is a proprietary multi-model database[4] management system produced and marketed by Oracle Corporation." It is a database commonly used for running online transaction processing (OLTP), data warehousing (DW) and mixed (OLTP & DW) database workloads. The latest generation, Oracle Database 19c, is available on-prem, on-cloud, or in a hybrid-Cloud environment. 19c may also be deployed on Oracle Engineered Systems (e.g. Exadata) on-prem, on Oracle (public) cloud or (private) cloud at customer.[5] At Openworld 2017 in San Francisco, Executive Chairman of the Board and CTO, Larry Ellison announced the next database generation, Oracle Autonomous Database.[6] "

Explanation:
The current introduction in the page mainly focuses on traditional RDBMS functionalities and does not sufficiently show the big evolution of the system towards ease of application development, integrated in the database during the past four years.

References supporting change:
Minute 37:22 from Video delivered by Juan Loaiza (Oracle EVP System Technology) and links for each technology in the text above pointing to the official Oracle documentation. JFVerrier (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2019 (UTC)JFVerrier[reply]

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[3] A purpose is just another way of saying a goal.

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