Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 27
July 27
Category:Open world racing video games
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. Dohvahkiin (talk) 22:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Category:Political controversies in Australia
- Nominator's rationale: It is in the nature of politics to be controversial, therefore adding individual people, events, laws and debates to this category is redundant at best and POV at worst. Better to add genuine scandals (where there are credible allegations of wrongdoing) to Category:Political scandals in Australia and remove this category entirely. Mqst north (talk) 10:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - this was renamed by cfd (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_November_1#Category:Australian_political_controversies) long ago, is part of Category:Political controversies by country, parent of Category:Political scandals by country, and has the subcat Category:Political scandals in Australia. The nominator had removed all parent categories for some reason. Oculi (talk) 13:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - as Oculi notes, political controversies is a well established category by countries. A matter is controversial because there are differing POV. Describing something as a scandal involves a moral judgment that is absent from many of the matters in the category. Another aspect is that controversies are often resolved. Eg it is difficult to see how 2017–18 Australian parliamentary eligibility crisis involved moral wrongdoing - whether they were aware or should have been aware of the dual citizenship was irrelevant to the application of the constitution, while for some the controversy was resolved in their favour. I have not seen any reliable source that characterises it as a scandal. Similarly History wars are a matter of political controversy that involve no moral judgment on any side of the debate. Is there a reliable source that characterises the argument as a scandal? Find bruce (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - for the reasons given by Oculi and Find bruce. Also, everyday political controversies would not become the subject of an article, because not notable: WP:N. The nomination really doesn't identify a problem. Wikiain (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep for reasons already given, its a well established category and part of a larger global set. Yes politics by definition can be controversial, the criteria is those incidents that go beyond the realm of just day to day politics... Recommend WP:SNOW for this noting that there appears to be a pointy part and forum shopping to this nomination, given it was started after a clear consensus had already developed. Gnangarra 02:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per above - specially User Gnangarra - and the issue of forum shopping. There is an AFD as well. JarrahTree 04:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Category:Kingdom of Sarawak
- Propose renaming Category:Kingdom of Sarawak to Category:Raj of Sarawak
- Nominator's rationale: Mainly technical request per common use as mentioned by this user. Night Lanternhalo? 10:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Category:Buildings and structures in Carora
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles in the category and the article Carora does not suggest there is a lot of expansion possible. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Amusement park attractions introduced in 2022
- Nominator's rationale: Time travel? Doug Weller talk 16:52, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- At least rename to Category:Amusement park attractions scheduled to open in 2022 because 2022 is in the future, not in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support alt rename. However such categories should not exist unless they have some certainty of delivery per WP:CRYSTAL. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- Once again, a nominated category has already been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 04:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- The amusement ride categories were renamed per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 16#Category:Amusement rides introduced in 2020. MER-C 19:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Tom and Jerry short films by year 1940 to 1956
- Propose deleting Tom and Jerry short films by year from 1940 to 1956 e.g. Category:1944 Tom and Jerry short films created by a now banned/retired contributor, they could be kept by adding categories (none at present apart from Category:Tom and Jerry short films). So for 1944 adding Category:1944 short films, Category:1944 animated films and Category:1940s American animated films to the year category. But I am not sure if anything is gained as the few articles on films I have checked seem to be in these categories already. So either delete these categories or upmerge to ??? in case a few articles have one or two categories missing? Hugo999 (talk) 05:11, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, if kept it would be sensible to diffuse Category:Tom and Jerry short films entirely, by adding year categories beyond 1956. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment See Tom and Jerry filmography. The original series by the Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer cartoon studio was released from 1940 to 1958. The revival by Gene Deitch was released from 1961 to 1962. The third series of short films, supervised by Chuck Jones, was released from 1963 to 1967. After 1967, the characters have relatively few appearances in short films (one in 2001, one in 2005, and one in 2014). Dimadick (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, Have added Category:1957 Tom and Jerry short films and Category:1958 Tom and Jerry short films in a revised format if these categories from 1940 on should be retained, and I could revise the categories for earlier years (no need for the single films in 2001 & 2005). Hugo999 (talk) 23:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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Category:People of the Year Awards winners
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEF, the award is either mentioned in passing or not mentioned at all in the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Cultural depictions of the Yongle Emperor
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, both categories contain the same one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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Antidepressants by ring number
- Propose deletion Category:Tricyclic antidepressants and Category:Tetracyclic antidepressants
- Nominator's rationale: I think that the categories are a trivial intersection between antidepressants and tricyclic or tetracyclic compounds. There are lots of chemicals with three or four rings that have a variety of effects in the body, so creating categories for the antidepressants that happen to have three or four rings seems unnecessary and trivial. I would be open to creating categories for specific, chemically-related, tricylic classes of antidepressants, like how Desipramine, Lofepramine, Depramine, Azipramine, Clomipramine, Ciclopramine, Metapramine, Cianopramine, and Imipramine are all dibenzazepines, but I suspect that all of the articles in the categories are already also categorized as to the chemical classes that they fall into (The nine articles that I listed were each already in Category:Dibenzazepines.), and the two categories that I have nominated for deletion do not appear to be about specific chemical classes of antidepressants. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 03:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)}}
- Question shouldn't the categories be merged to Category:Antidepressants rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes. I thought about their chemical structure but not the fact that they're antidepressants. I don't know how I committed that blunder. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 00:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
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Category:King of Italy
- Propose merging Category:King of Italy to Category:Kings of Italy (1861–1946)
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, both categories are apparently meant for the modern kings of Italy. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Support Same scope. Dimadick (talk) 09:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Kings of Italy
- Propose deleting Category:11th-century kings of Italy
- Propose deleting Category:12th-century kings of Italy
- Propose deleting Category:13th-century kings of Italy
- Propose deleting Category:14th-century kings of Italy
- Propose deleting Category:15th-century kings of Italy
- Propose deleting Category:16th-century kings of Italy
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF. After Otto I became King of Italy in 961 and Holy Roman Emperor in 962, the kingdom of Italy became fully integrated in the Holy Roman Empire and "King of Italy" was a mere duplicate title of the Holy Roman Emperors/German kings. In many articles about Holy Roman Emperors the title King of Italy is not even mentioned in the main text. There is only one exception, Arduin of Ivrea, who ruled independently 1002-1014, but he is already directly in Category:Kings of Italy. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This would remove them from the subcategories of Category:Italian people by century. Dimadick (talk) 09:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- They should be removed, since they were German people. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Category: French Cameroons
- Rename: Category: French Cameroons to Category:French Cameroon
Nominator's rationale: After the First World War, Kamerun was divided between the French and the British. The British create two colonies, one of which merged with Nigeria and the other one with Cameroon. However, the French Cameroon was one unified colony. France only had one Cameroon and there is literally nothing proving that it had more than one. I believe it was a typo. I'm looking forward to that change. Onbec (talk) 07:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - should this not be at Category:Cameroun? The article is little help - it is at French Cameroon (colony), but its lede calls it both French Cameroons and Cameroun, but not French Cameroon... Grutness...wha? 05:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)