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February 19

Does not aid in navigation. cymru.lass (talkcontribs) 21:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template, has been substituted into the page. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I see the content from the template(s) was moved to the article Demographics of Asian Americans in this edit, by the nominator. That transclusion preserves the data that would have been lost if the template was just deleted. That said, I don't get why this was done, as the template was being used in the wikilinked article, mentioned above. So it only became unused with the actions of the editor who is calling for the deletion. I can see the logic in the actions, but don't see why the actions were necessary.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 00:29, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Because single-use templates are generally discourgaged on Wikipedia. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unneeded wrapper templates. All transclusions can simply use {{Infobox crater data}} directly. Precedent already established with Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_11#Template:Infobox_Venus_crater Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template which seems to be part of the set of other Fb templates which are being deleted. Gonnym (talk) 17:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One transclusion. Per the template's introduction, it was created to separate the template from the article England to protect it from vandalism. However, this template has not been edited since 2010, and it is not even transcluded in England; it is transcluded in Geography of England. If vandalism ever becomes a problem again, the page where this information is can be protected, especially considering that vandals can still affect whether a template is transcluded or not. Per this information, substitute and delete as unnecessary to be a template. Steel1943 (talk) 23:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

per prior consensus, non-medal-winning squad Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

UKBot

The English Wikipedia does not run this kind of bot-scored competition, so they are all unused with little possibility of use. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 19#UKBot {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 17:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As the creator, I need to maintain an English version of the templates anyways since I cannot translate them directly from Norwegian to Basque and Finnish. Of course I can keep the English version somewhere else, but it's quite convenient to keep them here since they are then interwiki-linked, the documentation is easily readable, and it comes with the bonus that the bot can easily be enabled at English Wikipedia if anyone's interested in using it for article contents here. – Danmichaelo (talk) 05:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, but even if it were used I would nominate it for merging with Module:URL {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Since Module:URL returns "{{URL|example.com|optional display text}}" when its arguments are empty, but Module:URLWD returns "Script error: No such module "URLWD"." (i.e. nothing, so that an infobox will suppress the row), the different functionality will require some modification to Module:URL. However, that extra functionality will be trivial to implement, so we could then delete Module:URLWD without losing anything. --RexxS (talk) 23:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For background, this module was created as a result of the discussion at Template talk:URL #Infobox input may vary, same output preferred where I responded to a request from DePiep for a function that "accepts all input forms, then reformats it as needed into good {{URL}}". So it's not true to say that this module is unused, since that discussion is quite significant in terms of the potential use of something like {{URL}} in infoboxes. I made a version of Module:URL in Module:URL/sandbox that should allow {{URL2}} to meet the same needs as Module:URLWD does. if we can gain consensus for the deployment of that sandbox into the Module:URL, then this Module:URLWD can be safely deleted. --RexxS (talk) 23:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have no opinion nor knowledge regarding this TfD, but I acknowledge the logic RexxS describes. -DePiep (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion - Unused and seems to be replaced by Module:Celestial object quadrangle. Gonnym (talk) 14:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion - Unused and seems to be replaced by Module:Celestial object quadrangle. Gonnym (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion (and sub-templates) - Unused and seems to be replaced by Module:Celestial object quadrangle. Gonnym (talk) 14:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough links to warrant a navbox. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 13:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote list modules

Propose merging Module:About-distinguish, Module:Distinguish and Module:Main list.

Previous TfDs for this template:

Nearly duplicate modules, sharing the core component of taking an unlimited number of parameters from template arguments and converting them into a list using Module:Hatnote list. All of the other features are frills that could easily be implemented in Wikitext. I've written a merged module at Module:Sandbox/pppery/sentence list hatnote (distinguishing this from the previous TfD, when no merged module was available), and written templates that use it in Template:About-distinguish/sandbox, Template:Distinguish/sandbox and Template:Main list/sandbox. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 05:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pinging participants from previous discussions: @Nihiltres, SMcCandlish, and GreenC: {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 05:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Module:Cat main is intentionally excluded from this nomination, because (a) it has several unique features like bolding the title and (b) there was some talk about making it not a hatnote at all. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 05:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds reasonable. I'm in favor of consolidating code like this whenever practical to do so.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  06:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merger in principle, oppose current implementation - instead of writing the the actual text hatnote in the template and having all templates access the same module entry point, create a different entry point for each different style (then continue the code as normal, with all entry points accessing the list() function). As I've commented in a previous discussion, if we go with a module design pattern, then keep all the code there. --Gonnym (talk) 08:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I deliberately modeled my code in Module:Sandbox/pppery/sentence list hatnote after Module:Labelled list hatnote, which similarly takes all its arguments from wikitext. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If that is indeed the already used practice, then I don't oppose that anymore. Question, I looked at the code in Module:Labelled list hatnote and am wondering why does your module code copy so much of that code, instead of letting the Labelled list module handle it? Is there a reason I'm missing why it can't handle it? --Gonnym (talk) 14:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Because Nihiltres opposed merging with Module:Labelled list hatnote in the July 5 TfD. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 15:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Amazing. Well, in that case there is not a lot to do. It's very silly to duplicate over 90% of a module, but it seems that there is no other way. --Gonnym (talk) 18:59, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Feel free to propose a merge of the two modules after this discussion concludes (I would support it). {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I feel that you took me too literally on that; there's obviously enough commonality between the two to propose an expansion that would reuse most of the code directly in a DRY manner by refactoring monolithic code into separate functions. I opposed the July 5 one on the grounds that it didn't make sense to bloat Module:Labelled list hatnote to support {{Distinguish}} alone, but I did explicitly mention the possibility of rearranging the module structure to accommodate the idea. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 07:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Specifically, I oppose the implementation for {{about-distinguish}} that puts its Wikidata functionality in wikitext, because I oppose splitting template logic between modules and wikitext. It's one thing to supply simple text labels on the wikitext side, and quite another to supply conditionals; it's a needlessly confusing practice. I would suggest instead a simple "wrapper" module that added these conditionals by injecting their result into the input of the main function. The rest is okay I guess but could use a bit of tweaking; I haven't looked over it as thoroughly as I probably should.

    More generally, and let me make it unequivocally clear this time: Pppery, I find your practice of introducing template changes through TfD to be unwiki and unconducive to collaboration with you. I find it stressful to see nothing for some time, then be pinged on a TfD where I must—as a result of the format—argue these changes pass/fail rather than talking through the merits of different approaches. Please, use the talk pages and talk about your plans (and I'd appreciate if you ping me there), so I and others can comment and work with you rather than this adversarial-feeling approach. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 07:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Module:Vandal-m with Module:UserLinks.
Same core function: Providing links about a specific user. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Template does not exist. If the template linked contains a typo, feel free to correct the typo and un-close this discussion. AnomieBOT 03:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The bot task that once used this module finished running a year ago. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Data page with no corresponding lua module (Module:Wikidata is something entirely different) {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given that no Template:Wikipedia Requests subtemplates exist that could be reached by passing more than one parameter (and furthermore, doing so is unreliable because named parameters have an undefined order), this is an unnecessary lua module that could be implemented in Wikitext. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant to Module:Wikidata, see Module talk:Wikidata/Archive 1#getSiteLink {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by RHaworth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 21:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unfinished module, which in its current state returns nothing. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Unused module, redundant to Module:String {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An unnecessary cross categorisation. The award is minor and lacks a stand-alone article. Compare with Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 February 9#Template:Pink Grand Prix: 1989. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unused {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I originally created this module (translated from fr:Module:Utilitaire) as one of the necessary supporting components for translating fr:Modèle:Bibliographie. The latter has been supplanted by {{cite Q}}, so this module is no longer necessary. I suppose if it becomes useful for something else, an admin can always undelete it. Peaceray (talk) 00:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]