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Creating new page

How much time need to create a new page in Wikipedia after creating a account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comrade Dipto (talk • contribs) 17:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Comrade Dipto and welcome to the Teahouse. To create a page directly in the mainspace, you must have had an account for 4 days and made at least 10 edits. However, anyone can submit a draft for review using the article wizard and an experienced editor will determine if it's suitable for Wikipedia and either accept or decline it. Before attempting to create a draft, though, you are very strongly encouraged to read this page. It contains a large amount of useful advice for editors who are new to creating articles; in particular, all articles must meet our notability guidelines, be adequately sourced, written from a neutral point of view, and most importantly, be free of copyright violations. I hope this helps answer your question and if you have any more questions don't hesitate to post again at the Teahouse or let me know directly. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 20:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Comrade Dipto and welcome to the Teahouse.

Technically, after your account is 4 days old and has accumulated 10 edits, it is marked as auto-confirmed. With auto-confirmed status you can create new mainspace pages.

In actuality, however, very few new users are able to create a new page that meets Wikipedia's standards after editing for that short a time. We generally advise new users to spend a considerable about of time improving existing articles before attempting the rather daunting task of creating a new article. It may seem counter-intuitive, but time spent "learning the ropes" in this way may lead to an earlier completion time for your first article than if you simply plowed all of your efforts into creating a first article. I think the main reason for this is that your initial edits will make many mistakes and these can be addressed one at a time when fixing existing articles. Often a draft from a new user will have many diverse problems and the review comments that decline the draft will only be able to address one or two of them. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Bot and Copyright

I added a photo of a TU-54B sourced from another wikipedia page, which is likely fair use. I used the same photo (in another file) for a page but the bot sent me a message saying I didn’t have the proper copyright. The file is named File:TU-104B(Accident1971).jpeg
Erfson (talk) 14:02, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Erfson. I'm not clear why you uploaded the photo again, if it was already used on another Wikipedia page. Or are you saying you found it on a site linked from a Wikipedia page? Which?

Either way, you cannot upload a file without giving acceptable copyright information. If it is not freely licensed (most images on the Internet are not freely licensed) then the only way you can use it in Wikipedia is by uploading it to Wikipedia itself, as you have done; but you must then give the rationale, by explaining how the use meets every one of the non-free content criteria. If it does not meet these, then it may not be uploaded. And (as you've found out), it will be deleted unless you do show that it meets them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

The file you uploaded appears to be a reduced copy of File:Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-104B at Arlanda, July 1972.jpg which is in fact freely licenced for use, and can be used in any article. You can just use the original photo, and not your smaller duplicate.Nigel Ish (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

How to check if this content is eligible on a specific page?

Thank you for inviting me to THE TEAHOUSE. My question is related to checking the quality/eligibility of content on different pages. For example check this section of Ex-PM of Pakistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousaf_Raza_Gillani#VIP_Culture. This section doesn't feel to me to be of Wikipedia standards of prominent people or is it fine? What is the best way to judge whether to remove/edit something? AmIFord (talk) 19:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AmIFord. I have removed that section as a violation of our policy on biographies of living people, since it is negative information about his son, not him. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Cullen328. I'll now read these guides to have better understanding. AmIFord (talk) 22:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Citations and Footnotes Assistance

I am trying to help a friend that is a writer get his books on wikipedia. He tried doing it himself and it was rejected. I am now trying to make a wikipedia page for this author and my attempt was also rejected. This is the denial message and the draft links below:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Porter_Lafayette

Please help and advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BRNVeditingservices (talk • contribs) 19:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

The most obvious problem is that Draft:Porter Lafayette cites no references, though it lists some. You will need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Anything written about Porter has to be supported by references to articles written ABOUT Porter. None of those references appear to be about Porter. And references need to be interwoven into the text they support. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, BRNVeditingservices. I'm afraid that, like many people, your friend has fundamentally misunderstood the purposes of Wikipedia. "Get[ting] his books on Wikipedia" is called promotion, and is forbidden. If there is enough material published about him by people completely unconnected with him, or you then it is possible there could be an article about him: he (and you) are discouraged from writing such an example, but not forbidden - but either of you should heed the advice on editing with a conflict of interest. If such an article is written, it should be based almost entirely on those independent sources - Wikipedia has little interest in what somebody says about themselves, or what their associates say about them; and even less interest in what they want said about them. It will not be his article, and he will have no control over the content. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Notable on search

I have a valid article her that is a biography. (Not self promotion) I am no longer a broadcaster. But I am not showing up in the search. even though I see other Ex-Broadcasters listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Real Steele (talk • contribs) 22:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi The Real Steele welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you appear to have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. It is an encylopaedia of notable topics (and we determine Notability by whether multiple independent reliable sources have talked about that topic in depth and in detail.) What we don't do is take advantage of our own userpage to create articles about ourselves. It's OK to say who you are, and a line or two about your interests and aspirations in editing Wikipedia. Userpages that look like promotional articles usually get spotted and put forward for what we call 'speedy deletion' (the clue is in the name, but we try to be a bit more lenient here, so I'd invite you to quickly edit that page and remove the content that makes it look like a LinkedIn or blog profile before someone does it for you. If you are a notable subject, we would expect non-involved editors to be writing about you, and you should not do it yourself. If you need any further help, do ask. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I should add that userpages don't get indexed by search engines, and new articles don't either until that have passed a review process in which experienced editors assess the appropriateness of articles and decide if any action is needed before Google et al is alllowed to index them.Hope this helps. Oh, and you might like to read this article about writing about yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I made some userboxes!

Hello world! I made a few userboxes a while ago, and since no one seems to check out the new userboxes topic very often I thought I would post them here so that you can look at them. Here they are:

Code	Result
{{User:CrazyMinecart88/User not get}}	?This user just doesn't get it.	Usage
{{User:CrazyMinecart88/Not know userbox}}	This user does not get the above userbox, but put it on their userpage anyway because they like it.	Usage

Please tell me what you think!
Thanks, CrazyMinecart88 21:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi CrazyMinecart88. You might be able to get some more specific feedback from the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Userboxes. Try asking on its talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly:

Okay! I'll make sure to do that!

Thanks, CrazyMinecart88 00:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Donations

Hi wiki i was wondering about the announcement on your site about needing help and asking for donations. is Wikipedia really asking for donations or is it a scam or add trying to get peoples information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.4.12 (talk) 00:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi anonymous. Welcome. No - it's no scam. Nor do we seek people's information - anyone can edit anonymously, as you demonstrate. Donations are made to the Wikimedia Foundation, and definitely not to individual editors or administrators here (I wish, LOL!). Those donations pay for the servers, the IT expertise, the legal and technical teams, the educational projects that reach out around the world into places where a free encyclopaedia can be invaluable. Running the 5th most popular website in the world takes a lot of cash (and you'll note there are no adverts here). Some people don't feel they can or want to contribute by adding content, but there are many users who value their own language wikipedia, and like to donate in some other way. If you would like to do that, please visit this link. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Article was deleted for copyright infringement even though all citations were accurately referenced

I submitted my first article and referenced an individual and organization with whom I am working collaboratively, we have a similar definition of "Message Music," and yet have some different approaches. I mentioned the individual Denny Jenkins and his organization Spirit2Spirit in my article and provided direct quotes from him (but referenced them from a radio show and the date). Since my article was deleted for copyright infringement, I removed all references to his work involving direct quotes and merely mentioned his work in my own words. Will this be enough to have my article reconsidered for submission? drwellnessDrwellness1 (talk) 06:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Drwellness1. Draft:Message Music was deleted by Anthony Appleyard per WP:G12. Basically, this happens whenever large chunks of content have been simply copied-and-pasted from some external source, like a website, onto a Wikipedia page. This kind of thing is pretty much never going to be allowed because it's consider to be both a copyright violation and plagiarism. I'm not an administrator so I cannot exactly see the content in question, but perhaps you can ask Anthony about it on his user talk page. For general reference, article content is supposed to be written in your own words; you read what's written about the subject in reliable sources, summarize that information in your own words, and then add a citation to the source in support. Sometime short quotes of coyrighted content is allowed when properly attributed per MOS:QUOTE, but one big long block of quoted text (even if you provide a citation in support) is almost never going to be seen as OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Article with featured photo

I was creating a page for Elizabeth L. Gardner, and I tried to put her most famous photo in the userbox, but when I put it there, there was just text telling me that it was a featured photo, although the photo is listed under creative commons by the archives. Erfson (talk) 04:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Erfson. First of all, I re-added your question because it contains information that others might find helpful. The problem was that you were adding the file to the infobox using curly brackets ({{ }}); this syntax is generally used for transcluding content onto a page like a template, etc. instead of adding it directly to the page. I've fixed that for you.

You might, however, want to consider asking for the article to userfied or draftified because it doesn't seem (at least in my opinion) to be quite ready for the article namespace and still needs some work to bring it up to article-standards. Perhaps someone as Wikipedia talk:Military history could help you do that? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Marchjuly is completely correct. That is not yet an encyclopedia article. I've moved it to Draft:Elizabeth L. Gardner. Please read WP:My first article. I'd strongly suggest you submit the draft through WP: Articles for Creation for review when you think it is ready. And by all means please come back here if you have any questions. John from Idegon (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Authors of a journal

Hello, I want to cite a journal that has 24 authors. Is it mandatory to list all of the authors on the ref format? Or is it allowed to list just some of them and then put the word "et al" at the end? Thanks! AdaCiccone (talk) 04:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello AdaCiccone and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please see the documentation for {{cite journal}}, particularly, look for the string "display-authors=etal" to see the various ways you can handle large author lists. We do not require you to list all authors. But the software will flag errors if you try to list "et al" as an author or attach it to an author – please use one of the methods provided by the template instead. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

How do add picture?

Hello my question is how I can add picture to article? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs)

Hi, Refquest, welcome to the Teahouse. You didn't say which article you wanted to add an image to, or where that image comes from (for example, you can't just take images off the web and upload them, as the copyright will belong to someone other than yourself). May I suggest you read the helpful information in this page to get you started: Wikipedia:Uploading images. Come back if you need more specific answers, and help us to help you by indicating precisely what you want to do, giving links wherever possible. Note that there are 51 million freely available images on Wikimedia Commons which you can search for and easily add to an article. We can help you with that, if that's the advice you're after. Just let us know. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello I hope you are well. I wish to add photographies to an article that I am interested. Perhaps one might explain how to accomplish to me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 03:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I would appreciate to have directions soon, since I am under deadline thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 03:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, there is no deadline. Secondly, please read the reply from Nick Moyes. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes David I see that there is a link and I looked to hope it would help me to add photographies... instead it was very long and I do not have all night to read everything. I just need helps to accomplish picture adding. A simple and friendly asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 04:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Refquest. It's hard to be any more specific than what Nick Moyes posted above without knowing more about the picture you want to add and where (i.e., which article or page) you want to use it. Only files only uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons can be added to Wikipedia pages, and which types of pages they can be added to pretty much depends upon how they're licensed. So, if the picture you want to add have already been uploaded, then please add a link to its page and link to the Wikipedia page where you want to use it to this thread; if the picture you want to add has not yet been uploaded, you will need to upload it per WP:UPLOAD of c:COM:UPLOAD first. So, in the latter case, please provide a link to where it can be seen online and then a link to the Wikipedia page where you want to use it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I wish to add this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gaysex_11.jpg to article anal sex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 05:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, but at the same time you need to be aware of Wikipedia:Image use policy#Adding images to articles. Please note the part of which says editors should take care not to use such images simply to bring attention to an article. So, my suggestion to you is that if you really think this would be an improvement to the article and are not just goofing around, then be cautious and propose adding the file on the article's talk page to see what others think. As David posted above, there's no deadlines really when it comes to Wikipedia, and it will just be a waste of everyone's time (including yours) if you add a file that's only going to be immediately removed by another editor. Establishing a consensus for inclusion is the best way to go here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

From looking at the archived Talk pages for Anal sex there have been repeated, heated discussions on whether to use photographs of real people or use artwork (images of drawings, paintings, sculpture). The latter option is where the article is right now, and apparently, stays. In the past, photographs of real people have been added and quickly deleted. Thus, as suggested by Marchjuly, the best approach is to first start a new discussion at Talk. But expect the consensus to be "No photographs." Same applies to the article Sexual intercourse, so it's not a decision to specifically limit the anal sex article to "No photographs." David notMD (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

On a separate note, please sign your Talk comments by typing four of ~ at the end. If you don't an automated program gets around to doing it for you, but there is a significant lag time during which other editors will not know if a new person has joined a discussion or if it's you. David notMD (talk) 11:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Inserting table from Wikipedia Commons

The table on WM Commons "Consent required for action related to a picture of a person in a public place (by country)" would be very helpful to insert into Photography and the law I want to improve . However, copying the markup and inserting it does not bring up the table - does anyone know how to do this? I'm stumped! Thank you Jamesmcardle^(talk) 07:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

The best way for that table's content to be used here is by manually copying each entry and creating the table markup here on enwiki. Basically, that means you've to recreate it in whole. The Commons table defends on various subpages and conventions not used here on enwiki. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Image insert / uploading sourced content

Hi there thanks for the invite I'm new to wiki and would love to upload some articles to prove sourced changes how do I do this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echojoe1944 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Echojoe1944. I'm not sure what you meant by upload some articles, but perhaps you meant "upload some images". Images can be sometimes uploaded and used in articles per Wikipedia:Image use policy, but they are not really used as citations for verifying article content; instead, links to reliable sources are added as explained in Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear Sir thank you for response really appreciate it what I meant was I have artcles about artist like bros going back 1988 and were official published articles which may not on the internet how I can verify them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echojoe1944 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Madonna Like Prayer

Hi guys ive just be targeted by another member not from the UK how Madonna sold 792,000 copies of this album making 2 x platinum by the BPI and not gold so I changed it and now I'm being accused of vandalism can some assist . BPI PLATINUM RELEFLECTS OVER 300.000 SALES — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echojoe1944 (talk • contribs) 12:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

There is a difference between sales and certifications - maybe "Like a Prayer" has sold as many copies as you say (but you need to provide a reliable independent source to confirm that), but the fact is that it has only been certified gold by the BPI, which can be confirmed on their website: https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/3860-2003-1. Richard3120 (talk) 13:00, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Codes to fill the background of your user page with vibrant colors

Can you please tell me something about the codes of various colors and how to apply them on my user page to get a background of different color as well as a font of different color. Only this i am finding problem in except finding a cartoonish cup of tea rather than a real one.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

HardSunBadMoon, I can't help you with the colors. But I see that you have admitted here to using multiple accounts. You need to list those accounts on your user page. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Maproom: Actually with those multiple accounts i was referring to multiple IP addresses i used all those days. I didn't have a Gmail account during that time so i edited anonymously.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)