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Ranking of search results in Wikipedia

Hello and thanks to everyone in the tea house who have helped me so far. I am currently trying to understand how the search ranking works in a Wikipedia search. Specifically if I type in a search for "Ireland" why does the "Northern Ireland" page not come up either on the predicted prompts or the short list of results. A link to where I might better learn and understand how this works would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 04:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Eimhin de Róiste and welcome to the Teahouse.
Search ranking? I don't think the Wikimedia software does anything very sophisticated with the search box. It has a rather small capacity to get past misspellings, but otherwise seems to stick to presenting a list as if you were browsing an alphabetical list of the pages on WP whose initial string matches what you have typed so far. It may be that its ability to get past misspellings is only based on the existence of redirects from those misspellings. Since Google and most other search engines have indexed the article content of Wikipedia, that's where I would expect to go for higher-level search engine capabilities such as page ranking. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
The search mechanism baffles many people, Help:Searching, may contain something of use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
@Eimhin de Róiste: If you look at the very bottom of the search box when you type 'Ireland' you'll see a line in italics beginning "containing..." Select that, and you'll get a list of search results often covering multiple pages containing article titles and contents with that term in. You'll see that Northern Ireland comes up second on the list. So never just rely on the simple string search in the search box. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the pointers, very helpful indeed. I must confess I stopped paying attention to methods to improve my searches back in days of Netscape Navigator and beyond the boolean and/or and use of "search term" I effectively stopped thinking about or learning ways to "power up"/make more effective searches. I will study further. Thanks for the guidance.Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 09:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to Grand Ayatullah Syed Muhammad Yar Shah Naqvi Al Najafi

this isn't the place for a draft

Ayatullah Ustad-ul-Ulama Syed Muhammad Yar Shah Naqvi Najafi (born 1913 in Alipur, Panjab, died 12 Dec 1990 He Was a First Shia scholar In The History of Pakistani. He lived in Najaf Ashraf for a while before returning in 1940. All of Pakistan's ulamas are directly or indirectly the students of Ayatullah Muhammad Yar Shah Najfi.[citation needed] He was a simple man every time he work for his god. Once There was a Came Irani scholar in the Islamic instute of Dar_ul_Huda Ayatullah was sitting in the earth when he saw so he impressed for sitting on the earth he said this is a real change.

Activities

Majalis and teaching Tazkra e Toheed Masaib e Al-Muhammad a.s Specially he recite Masaib janab e Sayyeda

Prominent disciples

[1]

References

  1. ^ Tazkra-E-ulamae Pakistan

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Naqvi syed512 (talk • contribs) 10:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

This isn't the place for a draft, so I have collapsed its display (and terminated the unterminated "reference" to prevent it upsetting the display of the rest of the page). --David Biddulph (talk) 10:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
The place to suggest improvements to the existing article is at Talk:Muhammad Yar Shah. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

How do I create an entry for a new topic?

Good morning,

I wrote an op-ed on an economic policy in use by the US government without a name nor defined rules.

The op-ed will be out tomorrow, and I would like to submit the information herein. I write for the Eureka Springs Independent newspaper, www.Eureka.News

Kindly,

Dr. Luis Contreras Eureka Springs, AR 72631 <personal info redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeanDoc (talk • contribs) 13:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I'm afraid what you're proposing isn't suitable for submission on Wikipedia. Wikipedia hosts encyclopedic articles, not opinion editorials. It's also not suitable for policies "without a name nor defined rules", since they must be notable (i.e. mentioned in multiple secondary and reliable sources) to have an article. Thanks, Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 13:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello LeanDoc and welcome to the Teahouse-a great place to ask questions like the one above. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a publishing platform for editorials or op ed pieces. In addition, it is highly recommended that you do not create an article for which you have a conflict of interest. Even if you were able to get your op ed piece onto Wikipedia, it would be highly edited and then become something very different than your op ed piece. That is the bad news. The good news is that you are very welcome to add information to Wikipedia. If you can provide references to support information on a topic, then you can add information to the topic. We love new editors. I hope you decide to stay. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

My first authored article

I would value feedback from experienced Editors on the draft article in my Sandbox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AWCzarnik/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWCzarnik (talk • contribs) 13:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AWCzarnik and thank you for leaving your question here in the Teahouse. What you have written is not an encyclopedia article. It also appears to be written by you and actually may disappear rather quickly because it appears to be a personal attack. I am sorry to tell you this bad news. I hope you will stay with us and add content that is informative, not about yourself or your grievances. You seem intelligent and your participation in building an encyclopedia is very welcome. Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict):Hello, AWCzarnik and welcome to our Teahouse, and thanks for inviting comments on your sandbox draft. My first impression was that you have attempted to take advantage of Wikipedia to further awareness of a legal case which you personally brought against your employer, and that this was a terrible Conflict of Interest and a cynical abuse of what Wikipedia is trying to present to the world. That said (and never working in legal circles here or anywhere else) I eventually saw (with help from your sandbox's edit summary) that you were not doing that, but were attempting to demonstrate a significant and 'notable' change in U.S. law with which you, personally, had been involved as the plaintiff. So I don't quite agree with what Barbara (WVS) says above (and have just invited her to remove the WP:CSD G10 attack page deletion notice, which I think was wrongly placed, albeit in very good faith.) I gradually came to see your case might be likely to meet our essential 'notability' criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (law), specifically, WP:CASES in which it may be (and I paraphrase): the subject of a reasoned opinion of the highest court of a country, state or province, or has set a legal precedent that is formally binding. Others with more experience will be better equipped to make that assessment of notability, but I'd suggest you stand a good chance, assuming the court decision was a high enough one, or has had sufficient impact.
That said, I think you've gone about it all wrong, and it is a shame that such a heavily involved and high-profile person such as a yourself should be writing it. We have a law-orientated Wikiproject at Wikipedia:WikiProject Law, which recommends requested articles be added to Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Law, which is what I would be recommending you to do - possibly linking back to your sandbox for background, in the hope someone unconnected would be interested in creating it.
Were you to continue, you must clearly declare your WP:COI, and restructure and perhaps precis the article to make it encyclopaedic.
In particular, a WP:LEDE is needed to introduce the subject - never leave the key conclusion to the last paragraph - this isn't a scientific paper! With a title that follows the style of other legal case articles, such as Czarnik v. Illumina it should begins roughly along the lines of: Czarnik v. Illumina was a 2006 legal case in the United States which set a precedent by establishing for the first time that reputational harm alone was sufficient to satisfy the standing requirement to bring a correction of inventorship claim. As at 2018, Czarnik v. Illumina has been cited by nine other courts since then, and cited in legal treatises. Background: Heard in 2006, the claim .....
I would also advise you to spend a little more time learning the basics here before you think about creating articles. We expect a certain structural layout and style to be followed, and every key statement needs to be supported with citations. At present your references are just hyperlinks in the text, and you need to provide good links to help editors assess notability. If there was coverage in the national media of the legal precedent being set, these should be cited too. So, check WP:CASES, read Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. I see you've started The Wikipedia Adventure. Do finish it - you have 13 more badges to attain, and along the way you'll get to understand the basics of editing, referencing, layout and style. I hope this helps somewhat.
If, in due course, you choose to commit to sharing your extensive knowledge and skills within Wikipedia, as your userpage suggests, I'd respectfully suggest you might wish to consider seeking a mentor to Adopt and guide you. Our adoption scheme for new editors is very much in the doldrums these days (having been superseded by virtually instant help fora like this Teahouse), but I think you could be a perfect candidate to support if you demonstrate long-term commitment, and I for one would be happy to help out should you ever need that general assistance. Don't waste your time adding an 'adopt me' template to your userpage - these really don't work; simply find an editor with comparable interests - and there are quite a few listed at WP:AAU, and approach them directly. Oh, and don't forget to sign every talk page and noticeboard post with your signature. You simply type four tildes (like this: ~~~~) and the sofware add name and timestamp automatically for you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic feedback, and so fast. Thank you! A.W. Czarnik — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWCzarnik (talk • contribs) 14:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Ooops. AWCzarnik (talk) 14:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome, AWCzarnik. You'll now see that, having left it a short while, I eventually removed the WP:CSD G10 template from your sandbox, placed there in good faith by another editor, and left some further advice on the sandbox's talk page. (That's a whole afternoon gone. Hey ho.) Nick Moyes (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Not founded

I created one article about me and publish it but when i went back to google it I did not find it I have created a wikipedia on myself How to find it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek A singh (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Abhishek A singh: You created a user page, not an article.
See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI for why we discourage users from creating articles about themselves. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Need to edit a URL in an article

Good Afternoon,

I received an email concerning an out of date URL for a link in the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Carroll_Napier 

James Carroll Napier. 

The link is Ref #9.  I have the correct URL (http://dsi.mtsu.edu/trials/napier)   but am unable to get access to the Ref list to change it.  Is it something to do with my account / permission that I can't see the actual References and edit them.  I've edited text etc but never had to change something in a Reference list.

Any help would be appreciated so that the correct link can be displayed to our collection at MTSU. I'm more than willing to learn how to do this!

Jean Reese, Librarian MTSU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjr524 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Mjr524: Citations are not in the "References" section but in the article body. Reference #9 is located in the "Career" section. If you got to edit that section and look at the reference after ", serving on the Nashville City Council," there's the area you want to edit.
You might want to try WP:The Wikipedia Adventure, as it has a section on creating and editing citations. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Categorizing a single item in a list

How should this be handled? Say i want to put List_of_games_in_Star_Trek#Fizzbin into Category:Games_with_concealed_rules

Would I put the category onto the page, or would I put it somewhere within Fizzbin´s entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoonyTheDwarf (talk • contribs) 12:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi MoonyTheDwarf, welcome to the Teahouse. A section cannot be added to a category but a redirect to the section can. Fizzbin already redirects to the section. See Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects and Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Find on page

How do I find a string on the page I'm editing? Jmar67 (talk) 19:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jmar67: I just use the browser's find feature by pressing CTRL+F, and then typing the string in there. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
I am using Safari on mobile and do not know how to do that. Any idea? Jmar67 (talk) 19:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
@Jmar67: I don't have a device for testing but my first Google hit on Safari find is https://www.lifewire.com/search-for-text-in-safari-on-iphone-2000562. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I tend to forget Google. Jmar67 (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Problematic disambiguation terms

Please see here and share some views. I'm posting here because both experienced users see this as well as newcomers who, like me, can learn from this.

Cheers.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

This question has now been answered on the linked to page. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

How to see truncated edit summaries in full

Hi. I'm looking at the page curation log (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/pagetriage-curation) where some edit summaries are truncated with an ellipsis, e.g. "Thanks for your new article on Rafe Pomerance, but more evidence of his notability is needed, such as commentary on his influence over l..." How can I see the rest of what was truncated? Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 16:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Clayoquot, welcome to the Tehouse. Look for an edit made at the same time to the talk page of the article author. In your example it is [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks :) Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:35, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

ThinkWave

Hello, i'm a new editor here and my first article was deleted and received a notice in my talk page that if i have any question i can ask in Wikipedia:Questions and through it i found the teahouse page , so i want to follow rules to prevent it to happen again. Now i have an idea about article for ThinkWave.com it's a school management software, so i want to know is that will be a good idea to create this article also i'm planing to use these references

1. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/thinkwave#section-overview
2. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/ThinkWave+Kicks+Off+School+Year+With+Expanded+and+Enhanced+Service.-a065495052
3. https://www.owler.com/company/thinkwave
4. https://www.prweb.com/releases/thinkwave/school-software-gradebook/prweb4987644.htm
5. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/18/business/really-plugged-in-people-reveal-really-useful-web-sites.html
6. https://www.thinkwave.com/company.html
7. https://rb.ru/news/kto-aleksandr-borodich/

it that enough or should i search for higher quality resources. Thanks Justletters (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, 1-6 all 'No'. Not brief mentions, not press releases, not the company's own website, etc. Number 7 is really 'No' because, well, Russian. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Justletters There is nothing wrong with using Russian sources if nothing better is available in English. In this specific instance though, the source only briefly mentions ThinkWave as a former employer of the subject of their article. It cannot be used for anything other than a statement like "Alexander Borodich worked as a web developer for ThinkWave", which is probably pretty useless. I would urge you to familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for companies and organizations, WP:NCORP. It explains these kinds of issues really well. Vexations (talk) 19:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Vexations and David notMD thanks for your help i really appreciate that, it would be more helpful if you can confirm even ThinkWave deserve to have article on wikipedia or not Justletters (talk) 20:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Justletters An article based on only the sources listed above would very likely be deleted. Press releases and the website of the subject are not reliable sources. Vexations (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Vexations Yes, I got it. So if i have an article idea can i ask editors to search about it and create it if it notable enough. I think i saw a page before speaking about that but i can't found now Justletters (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
You can submit an idea at Wikipedia:Requested articles but it could take months to years before an editor decided to create such an article. The great majority of editors work on improving some of the 5,000,000+ articles in the English language Wikipedia, or in other languages. Sadly, it is common for people to become editors specifically to create a new article on a topic of their own interest (sometimes, themselves), not realizing how hard it is to create an article. David notMD (talk) 21:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
As you said it's really hard to become an editor need to have the knowledge of the community and it's rules, I'm looking at the editors here in the Teahouse and how they are helping each other just for editing love .. really a pure community and i want to have my role on it. Thanks again for your help. Justletters (talk) 22:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Ancient Origins

Is the website Ancient Origings www.ancient-origins.net concidered a reliable source? --WikiDitscha 22:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDitscha (talk • contribs) 17:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@WikiDitscha: In the future, you can ask such questions at WP:RSN.
Looking over the front page, I'm seeing:
I'm gonna say this is a WP:FRINGE site and so generally not a reliable source. I'm confident that WP:RSN would say likewise. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • It's a mix of reprinted press releases about real archaeology, all of which can be found in much better sources, and absolute bullshit like the above. So no. – Joe (talk) 18:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

How do I request someone to write an article on my behalf if I have a conflict of interest?

Hi, I want to create a page about a website that creates customizable promotional graphics for small businesses, musicians, event promoters, churches, non-profit organizations etc. but I cannot do so myself due to a personal conflict of interest. I researched on this and found out that the best way to go about it is to request someone from the Wikipedia community to write the article on your behalf by providing them the basic information and a list of external links that talk about the website. How do I proceed ahead with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alina Jamshed (talk • contribs) 11:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Alina Jamshed, and welcome to our Teahouse. Thank you for your question and especially for taking the trouble to appreciate our concerns over articles created by editors with a Conflict of Interest, or who might own or be employed by an organisation and who then need to observe our requirements to declare Paid Editing. The route for you to recommend an article be created is to add it to the long list in the relevant sub-section at Wikipedia:Requested articles. But, be aware that we are all volunteers here, and that editors choose the topics that interest them. So there is often be a very long wait.
I should also tell you - based on what you've just said above - that unless you've missed out something critical - there's absolutely no chance of your organisation ever meeting our notability criteria for organisations. You can read what they are at WP:NORG. You'll need to be able to provide or point towards in-depth coverage for that organisation in sources that are totally independent of it, and ignore all coverage based on promotional press releases, interviews by staff etc. So, I might respectfully invite you to consider whether your company really is sufficiently notable to merit an article here, so as not to waste your time, or to raise expectations. There must be tens of thousands of companies around the world who produce promotional graphics for other organisations - an encyclopaedia like ours isn't really the place for anyone to expect to get free promotion. So, unless it really does stand out from the crowd, I'd look elsewhere to promote your company - especially to websites where you'd have complete control over content, unlike here. I hope this makes sense and doesn't disappoint too much. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:,Nick Moyes Hey Nick! I understand your concern but I'm not looking for promotional content for the website. I only want to create an informative page about PosterMyWall (https://www.postermywall.com) as a graphic design tool solely. I see that there are pages on Wikipedia for some of the other graphic-design tool websites such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucidpress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Spark

If I provide the required information, can someone completely neutral write the article on our behalf, if it interests them, ofcourse?

Hi Alina Jamshed, you can certainly add PosterMyWall to WP:Requested articles. The key thing is to include a few independent references (newspaper coverage, that kind of thing) that an editor could base an article on. › Mortee talk 00:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

article declined

I recently wrote my first article and requested to publish which was denied. I admit it lacked citation what can I do now! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robeda (talk • contribs) 16:21, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Robeda, and welcome to the Teahouse. Read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources if you haven't, and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Gather the best reliable sources you can and cite them in the your draft, guidance at Help:Referencing for beginners. If there are no (or not enough) reliable sources to find, give up (at least for now, things change) on writing an article on this topic, it will be deleted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Two suggestions: 1) you should not have so much personal information on your User page. What belongs there is information about how you intend to be a Wikipedia editor; and 2) you moved the information about Sayat from your User page to a Draft, but as it has no references, cannot become an article. See the advice GGS provided. David notMD (talk) 00:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Finding foreign language wikis that need translation

I'd like to work on foreign language pages in French or Spanish that need translation into English. Is there a simple way to find a list of such pages? Thanks! HarleyOpenRoad (talk) 06:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello HarleyOpenRoad and welcome to the teahouse. Take a look at Category:Articles needing translation from French Wikipedia and Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia for a list of current articles that can use some translation help. Happy editing. MarnetteD|Talk 07:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi HarleyOpenRoad. In addition to the advice given by MarnetteD, you might also want to look at WP:TRANSLATE for some general information on translating articles from other language Wikipedias into English Wikipedia. You should pay particular attention to WP:TFOLWP since you will likely need to provide proper attribution to the original source article you are translating. Finally, even though the various different language Wikipedia projects are all part of the same "family" so to speak, each is governed by its own sets of policies and guidelines. These various policies and guidelines may be quite similar in many ways, but there might also be some very important differences as well. The policies and guidelines of English Wikipedia tend to be (on average) much more stringent that the ones of some other projects; this is particularly true when it comes to Wikipedia notability guidelines and standards related to reliable sources. So, just because an article about a particular subject already exists on another Wikipedia is not a 100% guarantee that the same article should also be created and added to English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
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