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Hi,

I believe one column should be deleted from this page. The 'Registered Users' column. Almost all companies there never posted their total registered users number bar one from what I checked. So the registered users number corresponds to the number of monthly active users in most cases. Therefore it is false data No companies post this number as it is not useful. It should be deleted as of now it is quite false as most people edit it with same number as monthly users, which makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alakagom (talk • contribs) 16:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Alakagom. The place to discuss this is on that article's Talk Page. Often when somebody suggests an improvement to an article "you can edit it yourself!" is good advice; but if you're planning to make a change that affects the whole article, it would be prudent to suggest it on the talk page first. If after a week nobody has disagreed, you can feel free to make the change. --ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Protocol for uploading photos

Please let me know if there is a specific protocol to add photos to an existing wiki page, which is from the personal collection of the living person written about in wiki. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajinka! (talk • contribs) 2018-08-17T20:02:53 (UTC)

Hello, Kajinka!. I wouldn't call it a protocol, but there are several steps. The first is to determine the copyright status of the pictures. If they are pictures of a living person they are probably not old enough to be in the public domain; so we would require that the copyright owner (who is usually the photographer, unless there was a contract which specifically said otherwise) expicitly release them under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to reuse them for any purpose, commercial or not. If the copyright holder can be identified, and is willing to do this, then it is easiest if they upload the pictures themselves to Wikimedia Commons, declaring that they release them under this licence. If they are not able to do this, then they can send an email as explained at donating copyright materials. But if the copyright holder is not willing to license the pictures in this way (permission to use them on Wikipedia is not sufficient), or if the copyright holder cannot be found, then I'm afraid they cannot be used. See Help:Upload.

Once the pictures have been uploaded successfully to Commons, it is straightforward to insert them into articles. --ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. The info and the links are very helpful. I had read a lot, but was still uncertain. Many thanks. K — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajinka! (talk • contribs) 20:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Editing the Subject

How would i change the subject of an article if it is not right. I am not able to change the name of a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shak926 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Shak926 Changing the title of an article is done by moving the article to the new title. See WP:Move --Vexations (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

how to publish

Hi there, I have been trying to publish this article since yesterday with no success I am also trying to upload a picture, I can't even see where This is so confusing. Who can help ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LongShotCandidate (talk • contribs) 19:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I recommend you read WP:Your first article and the instructions in the File Upload Wizard. — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 21:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you are asking about User:LongShotCandidate/sandbox. Just click the "submit your draft for review" button I added. You should still read the pages above before submitting, to see if the page meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 21:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

By the way, if you intend to submit an article about "Jean-Philibert Mabaya Gizi Amine" then that should be the title, not LongShotCandidate. Really. David notMD (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

The draft article is unsourced, and the subject may have challenges meeting Wikipedia's notability standards, from what I can find about him. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Candidates. Unless he's elected, it would also be a case of WP:TOOSOON. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

timtempleton, the draft says that this person has been an elected Senator in the Democratic Republic of Congo since 2006. Accordingly, he meets the notability guideline for politicians if this can be verified. Obviously, the draft article needs to be referenced before it can be accepted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Here is a French language Congolese news article that identifies him as a Senator and head of an opposition political movement. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I missed that senator reference Cullen328 - the editor buried the lede apparently. I didn't see Mr. Amine's name in the French source you posted though. I did find this hacked cable from 2007, which says he was President of Office National des Transports (Congo). [[1]]TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:14, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

First, my apology for confusing your User name with the article name Draft:Jean-Philibert Mabaya Gizi Amine. Right now, no references, will not be approved. David notMD (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of images on User pages

On the Wikimedia Commons, there are *a lot* of nude images and stuff like that. Are we allowed to put those on our user pages? I don't want to because that's rather gross, but I'm just curious as to whether or not there are community guidelines that would ban me if I tried that. Redditaddict6 9 11:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Redditaddict69: Wikipedia:User_pages#Images_that_would_bring_the_project_into_disrepute ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 11:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Redditaddict69 There are guidelines; see WP:UPNOT and WP:NOTWEBHOST. Vexations (talk) 12:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I have come across some user pages of experienced editors which include as an image or background some nude photograph. It has only happened a few times, though. The picture has always been some nude photography art, though, rather unsurprisingly of a woman. I doubt this is prohibited and considered actionably disruptive, but it might be discouraged and an occasional user who does not understand Wikipedia's position on censorship might complain on the user talk page. It is definitely gray area content. The third note (permanent link) at Wikipedia:User pages is particularly relevant. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 16:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC); last sentenced added at 16:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I would say that, for example, the scaled-down use of an image like File:Nude recumbent woman by Jean-Christophe Destailleur.jpg on the user page of an editor who frequently edits pages about photography or art (or possibly, which as a caption expressing that editor's immense love of the image as a form of minor personal expression) would be wholly unremarkable, whereas something like File:Black woman's buttocks and pudenda.jpg on the user page of an editor who doesn't have any connection to nude photography should probably be removed. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Haha ok thanks everyone, appreciate it! Didn't realize there were so many user page guidelines so I cleared most non-wiki-related stuff from my page. Redditaddict6 9 03:38, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Special Olympics Bangladesh

hello sir, i want to create a Page about my company named special Olympics Bangladesh But it is not creating yet , what day it will take ? If you tell me i will be grateful to You . Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamundu (talk • contribs) 06:29, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mamundu. If you are talking about User:Mamundu/sandbox or your user page, then please be aware that neither of these drafts are acceptable for the encyclopedia, because they are unreferenced, and for other reasons. Please read Your first article and Referencing for beginners. Follow the advice that you will find there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cullen328 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

... and as you refer to your company you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Indian economy

what is Indian economy and how it is different from others?

ajay kumar b103.77.239.144 (talk) 05:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, ajay. This page is not the right place for this sort of question - this is about help with editing Wikipedia. The WP:Reference desk is a better place for general-knowledge questions. But even better is searching the encyclopaedia. If you had done that it would have taken you to the article Economy of India. --ColinFine (talk) 08:19, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it possible to "revert" a clearly vandalistic page move, without all the voting procedures?

So, an editor renamed this article Cengizhan Erdoğan about a Tuvan sportsperson to a new name. Obviously he didn't cite any sources so I am presuming it was an attempt at trolling. I can't move the page back to its original name because the original name is now a redirect. Is it possible to move that page back without spending time on starting a vote and then waiting for people to stumble across that vote because that page is clearly not watched by a lot of people? Openlydialectic (talk) 12:07, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Openlydialectic: Since this seems like an uncontroversial move back, you can go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and list it under "Requesting technical moves". --bonadea contributions talk 12:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Openlydialectic: I suggest you ask Mohsen1248 why they moved the page before you attempt to revert it. It's not a good idea to assume that an edit was "vandalistic" or "trolling" just because the reason for it is not immediately apparent to you. Assume good faith and consensus are the fundamental principles of our community. We don't "vote" on things. – Joe (talk) 14:10, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

a clearly vandalistic page move !! well done. if you know nothing about something better to just leave it. sometimes I'm busy with multiple edits and forget to add refs. this guy Open Sat is not a naturliazed Turkish citizen under a new name Cengizhan Erdoğan, while they didn't mention it in his database porfile you still can see his achievement when he was representing Russia. Mohsen1248 (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

If it had been a vandalistic move it could have been moved back despite the presence of the redirect (see WP:MOR), but it obviously wasn't vandalistic, see ref 2 in the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Newb Need opinions about editing

Hi, I've never edited. I was reading an article & found statements which caught my attention because it appears to be an opinion rather than fact. The article is "Colin Kaepernick" Here is the above mentioned part:

His actions prompted negative and positive responses. The negative responses included suggestions that players who protest should be fired;[4] other people displayed their disapproval of players' protests by leaving the stadium immediately after the protests or refusing to watch games at all.[5][6] Positive responses included similar activity by additional athletes in the NFL and other American sports leagues protesting in various ways during the anthem.

I feel that each person may differ on if it was a positive, or negative response so here is I hope a better way:

His actions prompted various responses. There were suggestions that players who protest should be fired, people displayed their disapproval of player's protests by leaving the stadium immediately after the protests or refusing to watch or attend games at all. Some additional athletes in the NFL and other American sports leagues began similar protests in various ways during the anthem.

Since I'm new, I'd rather have some input before I try to edit it without knowing the ropes. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philthy McNasty (talk • contribs) 05:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Philthy McNasty. Because this is a collaborative project, please consider whether your username might alienate some other editors. The proper place to discuss these changes is Talk:Colin Kaepernick. In my opinion, your proposed change explains the criticism of Kaepernick pretty well, but does not adequately explain the support for his stance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

(FWIW, the mock name "Philthy McNasty" is a longstanding joke in UK culture which has been used for a number of bars and restaurants amongst other applications (as G°°gle will demonstrate), and which no-one would find any more offensive than, say, "Boaty McBoatface". I suppose Cullen may be correct that non-UK readers might misinterpret it.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230,195} 94.0.130.143 (talk) 19:47, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Difference between "(U.S. politician)" and "(American politician)"?

If you search the following two things, you get hundreds of results:

intitle:"(U.S. politician)"
intitle:"(American politician)"

So what's the difference? Why are there different titles for U.S. vs. American?

And some of them have redirects to the opposite version. Example:

Steve Bullock (U.S. politician) redirects to Steve Bullock (American politician)
Bill Walker (American politician) redirects to Bill Walker (U.S. politician)

Redditaddict6 9 14:23, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Redditaddict69, welcome to the Teahouse. Hmm, it seems that there is no difference. They mean the same thing. I guess Wikipedia just has inconsistent titling for this sort of "parenthetical disambiguation". I suppose this probably calls for some kind of centralized discussion to decide which version we prefer so that our article titling is consistent. Mz7 (talk) 20:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I Want To Make An Article About Myself

I Want to make an article about my music, discography and events in my live that caused my to be the human being I am today, more than that. A striving artist/musician. how can I go about doing that business with you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.68.76 (talk) 18:07, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

You need to read the advice against that, at WP:Autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is none of that. If you are so famous that other people have written about you - at length - then other people might create an article about you. David notMD (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Continual promotion on article

Dear editors, I will love to call the attention of the volunteer community to the edits of user:Dell Corei3 towards the article Monsurat Sunmonu. He has been violating NPOV, using weasel and promotional word against Wikipedia's voice and guidelines. The previous edits made by me for the article to meet Wikipedia's standards were wiped off and the previous violating content was pasted. Kindly look into this. cc user:Ijon, user:Jamie Tubers, user:HandsomeBoy, user:Ammarpad, user:Danidamiobi Haylad (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @Haylad:, the account seems to have ceased editing. After their few random edits they've not edited since August 14, so it is likely they're gone. However, if they return and continue similar editing, you can warn them using {{uw-npov2}} or {{uw-npov3}}; if they persist thereafter, you can report them to ANI where administrators would hopefully intervene. –Ammarpad (talk) 19:02, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the dispute, Haylad, this page is not an appropriate place to bring the dispute. Please read dispute resolution for how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

TV Series no. of seasons/episodes

For articles on TV series should the number of seasons/episodes shown in the info box on the right include yet to be aired seasons/episodes? I would think not and have occasionally been caught out by this when it shows there is a season I haven't seen and then see it says it will air "TBC 2019" or something similar. Would I be right to edit this to what has already been released or is it correct to have the future (but confirmed) shown here as well?

I'm sure there must be a guideline which explains this somewhere, and I did try and search the site as well as doing one through Google but came up empty handed. Sorry for asking something I'm sure is well documented somewhere... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.16.85.134 (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm not an expert on television infoboxes (another Teahouse host might know more!), but I can point you to the documentation pages for the infoboxes. The infobox you'll find on main television series articles is {{infobox television}}, and if you go to Template:Infobox television, you'll find the documentation for the template in the green box. Incidentally, the documentation says that the |num_seasons= parameter should only be incremented once the first episode of that season or series has aired, or if a reliable source confirms production has commenced. An inline citation is required if the total number of seasons produced is greater than the number aired. Similarly, the |num_episodes= should only be incremented when new episodes air. I hope this information is helpful. Mz7 (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, that looks like exactly what I was after. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.16.85.134 (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Name for an article

The name of this tennis tournament is "Lagos Open", and it is not related to Lagos Open. Since the latter has been discontinued, will it be out of place if the one in my sandbox takes the name, while the other one is disambiguated to something else? If it is not possible, what alternative name can be given to the most significant tennis tournament in Nigeria (sandbox)?HandsomeBoy (talk) 02:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

One option: rename the existing article to "Lagos Open (1976–1991)" and the new one to "Lagos Open (2000–present)" with "Lagos Open" as a dab page. Chris857 (talk) 03:05, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Chris857: thanks for the suggestion. It makes sense. HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:22, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Making An Article

If you make a link to an article to create it. It will have the edit button locked to prevent vandalism what if you want to edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SanjaAkim123Avelina (talk • contribs) 00:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@SanjaAkim123Avelina: That depends on the page you are trying to make. What page are you trying to make? Ian.thomson (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Submission Declined

Hello,

My submission for my article BARJONA was declined and the message that was sent to me was, "Hard to know what this is but a suitable draft it isn't". This is the only feedback that I received. There were no further explanations or any helpful information at all. I would like a better explanation as to why my article was declined please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muziqmeistro (talk • contribs) 21:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Muziqmeistro: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft you created seems to me to just state the existence of a church and some biblical passages associated with it. I assume it to be more than that, but that's the only way I can describe it. Unfortunately, that is not valid article content. Wikipedia articles must do more than merely tell about a subject. Their content must be supported with independent reliable sources that show how the subject is notable as Wikipedia defines it. You may want to read Your First Article to learn more about the process and what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Muziqmeistro: If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Reliable source

My submission was declined as I did not cite a reliable source such as an in-depth written article by a newspaper etc , does this mean if I cannot obtain this I should withdraw my submission?

Shane Royle (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Shane Royle: If there are no such sources, then the topic is not notable. Doing a quick search on Google News and Google Books, I didn't see any sources either. Otherwise, I'd link a few for you to base the article on.

You can request that the page be deleted by putting {{Db-g7}} at the top of the draft (assuming you're the only person who has put any real work into it).

My usual advice for when you're going to write an article on any topic: