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April 17

Category:People who follow a straight edge lifestyle

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristic. Information already exists in list form. TM 23:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New York City public transportation articles with names to be reviewed

Nominator's rationale: This category was created a bit over a decade ago by a fellow WP:NYCPT contributor due to a dispute over subway articles with more than one name. We now have a steady naming convention in place that we’ve agreed upon and now follow to the tee (and have done so now for the longest time) therefore rendering this category unnecessary. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 22:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. All New York City Subway station articles have either (1) a title that was agreed-on by consensus, or (2) is supported by reliable sources. However, I do think this list should be downloaded so, in case of confusion in the future, the alternate names could be referred to. epicgenius (talk) 14:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. For what it's worth, there's a parameter in the station infobox that has an option for alternate/former names, a majority of which do have the parameter in use. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 17:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so I guess this category doesn't need to be downloaded after all. There can just be a category based on whether this parameter is populated. epicgenius (talk) 18:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Magmatism not igneous petrology

Categories are tagged in their talk page. An now they are all listed here. I expanded the rationale.

Propose moving 30+ categories with similar names:

‎*Category:Archean igneous petrology to Category:Archean magmatism

‎The rationales is that "igneous petrology" is inadequate and magmatism both more precise and clear. These categories group two types of article: 1) articles about volcanism and volcanic rocks and 2) articles about intrusions. Both of these kind of rocks and phenomena are derived from the activity of molten rock under earth's surface, that is magma. Igneous and magmatic rocks are the same, but petrology refers to a science. By analogy do we talk about concise Category:Freshwater molluscs or about Category:Freshwater malacology?

A secondary reason is that igneous petrology sounds extraneous to those unfamiliar with geology while magmatism is easier to grasp. –Mamayuco (talk) 20:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Volcanoguy, since when are volcanic rocks not magmatic? Where did you got that idea from? Here a few links to help you out of that misunderstanding. [1]. Look at this link [2] how can it be that numerous authors talk about arc magmatism mentioning volcanic rocks? By your view magmatism would only be the emplacement of plutons and batholiths which is non-factual and a ridiculous claim! Mamayuco (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, the meaning of "magmatism" has been widened over the years (by probably too many geologists) to include not only the processes by which intrusive rocks are formed but also the processes by which volcanic rocks are formed. Magma is molten rock below the surface whereas lava is molten rock on the surface. Volcanoguy 21:49, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
and that alleged widening has now made Google Scholar and GeoRef find 20,700 repectively 10,886 "magmatic arc"s. In the vocabulary of modern igneous petrologist magmatism has a meaning that do not exclude volcanism onless explicitely mentioned. Mamayuco (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And since that leads to confusion, I'm sticking with the original definition. Volcanoguy 22:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I concede you that point, that are some works that contrast volcanism with magmatism. The question is if that usage is enough to discard magmatism as a broad term. Mamayuco (talk) 00:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Seems rather frivolous - magmatism is not a synonym for igneous petrology. The field of igneous petrology is broader than magmatism as anyone who has studied the subject should know. Vsmith (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nowhere is there any claim thing are fully synonymous. For what the categories are chiefly about magmatism is more appropriate. If any post-magmatic metasomatism or similar things are left out by the updated categorization it can be fitted elsewhere. Frivolous to me would be to retain what is more the name of an actual discipline than of the thing itself and a name laypeople will not understand. Inappropriate for two reasons!— Mamayuco (talk) 21:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • ...and laypeople will surely understand magmatism :) If that be the goal - then rename it to rocks formed underground from a molton state or some such. Vsmith (talk) 22:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Vsmith, I hope you are aware that igneous petrology does not cover physical volcanology and other allied disciplines that are not excluded by magmatism. My understanding so far is that rejection of magmatism as a catch all concept (I know, not the mantle rocks!) is based on an undue focus on volcanism that in some pappers in contrasted with "magmatism" as a substitute for magmatic activity without known volcanism (many batholiths etc.). Mamayuco (talk) 13:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mamayuco: Speaking as a layperson, I know what igneous petrology is - it's easy to work out from its name - but don't have a clue what magmatism is (what is magmate?). As such, I'd oppose any change based on your reasoning in reply to VSmith. I'd also point out that it makes sense for a broader category for the whole science is more common on Wikipedia. I can't help thinking, though, that this would be better dealt with after consensus is reached through discussion somewhere like WP:GEOL, rather than heading straight to cfd. Grutness...wha? 00:21, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Grutness, so the root "igneous" seem more familiar to you than "magma"? That's a surprise. –Mamayuco (talk) 13:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Igneous is a very common word. So, of course, is mamga, but magmatism, as I pointed out, looks like it's something to do with magmat(e) (cf magnetism, parasitism, patriotism, defeatism, hermaphroditism, occultism, etc), which I've never heard of. The link to magma is not an obvious one. I'm pretty sure that that would be the common feeling among laypeople. Grutness...wha? 01:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Igneous petrology is the study of igneous rocks (looking at their mineralogy or chemistry) whereas magmatism (or magmatic activity) is more about the cause, distribution and timing of igneous bodies. I have to ask, what exactly does "Permian igneous petrology" mean? It's obvious what "Permian magmatism" means - magmatism that occurred during the Permian. It just seems odd to me that the Cornubian batholith should be in an igneous petrology category. N.B. I agree that our magmatism article is not in a particularly good state, although I am working on it. Mikenorton (talk) 10:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American Catholics by state and 3 others

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Procedural close. I am sure this was all well-intentioned, but it is a big procedural mess: a nominated category which has been moved already, and possibly some new cats already created. So I will close it, try to restore the status quo ante, and then update this close. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:52, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: -- series of new categories created by another editor, styled as Category:American Catholics by state, which wording was corrected to Category:American Roman Catholics by state as there is no such thing, for taxonomic or encyclopaedic purposes as "American Catholics", unlike "Anglo-Catholics" or "Greek Catholics" or "Eastern-rite Catholics". Individual categories by state were created by another editor as Category:Catholics from Wisconsin, Category:Catholics from Wyoming, etc., which seems acceptable. No sense overusing the adjective "Roman". Quis separabit? 17:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Bigg Boss participants

Nominator's rationale: As all participants in the series are already "celebrities", this category fails WP:PERFCAT. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 21#Category:Celebrity Big Brother (UK) contestants for precedent. --woodensuperman 12:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Angiosperms of Asia

Nominator's rationale: There is a well understood system for categorizing the distribution of plants, described in detail at Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions. Caftaric made no attempt to obtain consensus for adding additional categories (a habit which has caused problems in the past). See, as just one example, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 March 26#Category:Deuterostomes of Asia. Unfortunately this user has a history of never seeking consensus before creating categories and rarely discussing afterwards. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United Nations non-governmental organizations

Nominator's rationale: rename, the current category name wrongly suggests these are organizations of the United Nations, which is not actually the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gender pay gap by country

Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, this category and its parent category together contain six articles only. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 05:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The category shouldn't have been created (no need to subdivide a category of 6 articles), the category shouldn't have been CFDed for SMALLCAT. I also disagree with BHG's point c (if the GPG-by-country cat exists then it should be in a by-country parent cat, but that doesn't mean the GPG-by-country cat is needed). On balance - oppose. DexDor (talk) 06:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep no good reason to change; agree with BHG's comments. Hmains (talk) 02:56, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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