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In the Beginning

Several times, Psyphics (talk · contribs) and I teamed up to make articles suitable for merging. The articles were immense, but working together, we cut right through them, copy editing, condensing, and finding sources. Not only did something that had been overwhelming become much easier, the collaborative effort proved to be fun.

In the first few months of editing with the WikiProject Comics, I was amazed by the deication of not just some of the users who had been around longer, but also some of the comparatively newer editors like me. I grew to prefer editing articles within the WikiProject Comics purview because of the sense of community, support, and comeraderie I felt. I didn't just have good faith in my fellow editors; I really believed in them and the work they were doing. In the past month or so, some of the editors I really respect have decreased their participation, often because of stress and an increasing feeling of futility about mainting article quality. I'm one of them.

I'm hoping this project will give editors a boost and make editing more engaging and fun again. We're in this together.

Each week (up for discussion) we'll pick one or more (up for discussion) articles to work on as a group. We each have our strengths: I like to condense plot summaries. Steve block (talk · contribs) has said he likes finding sources. I know Tenebrae (talk · contribs) and others have created articles about comics professionals, something I don't believe I have done. I am of course open to any ideas other editors may have about goals, procedures, and membership.

Among my goals for this project is a page for resource material for citations with information on in it ranging from comics magazines like The Comics Journal, Comicology, Back Issue, and Wizard to online news sites like Newsarama, Comic Book Resources, Ninth Art, and Sequential Tart. Of special note are columns "Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed" and "Lying in the Gutters", both at CBR.

I am excited to focus once more on working with each of you. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for setting this up Chris. I look forward to contributing and hope it helps to alleviate my cynicism and feelings of futility toward WP:CMC and fiction-related articles in general. --NewtΨΦ 19:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Though I tend to edit and clean up "all over", I tend to focus on lists, categories, grammar, and WP:OR. (I like to organise: )
Please feel free to drop off organizational requests on my requests talk page. - jc37 18:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Naming conventions (comics)

Proposal for a clearer standard. Current discussion here. - jc37 17:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So what do we tackle first?

Suggest some articles for group editing. I know Newt and I talked recently about working on Wolverine (comics), and I like the idea for this because it is a large article about a popular character. RobJ1981 (talk · contribs) has worked diligently at the Amalgam Comics articles, particularly their merging, and I know he could use some help with that. Any other areas we should look at? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 01:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like your focus is more Marvel? I just split the Batman villains article (into an article and list). It could still use quite a bit of work. - jc37 02:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personall,y I'll work on anything. I was disappointed yesterday to note the lack of an article on Clan Apis, but hopefully I can pull something together for it. Oh, and we could also just work our way through some of the task template or the more links therein. I'll take a look at the article you mentioned now. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just looked at Batman villains; did you discuss the split first? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't/don't think it was necessary. I was being bold (concerns on the talk page months old about page length, and this was an obvious split point) and beginning the clean-up editing. (Similar to you on July 5th, obviously). I also did the merge (polka-dot man), since it's also been almost 2 months of no discussion.
Atm, the article still needs tense fixing (as per tag), and the List just needs general editing throughout. (For example, the "chronological order" of the first section is missing issue references for several villains, and the text could definitely use some work.) - jc37 02:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely right. I think it was a good idea; I was just wondering if you were going to see a backlash. And then I remembered that the guy I would expect to be annoyed about something like that just got blocked indefinitely. Certainly no complaints from me. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given what I've been working on recently, i'd say let's give Magneto a shot. WesleyDodds 11:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Magneto sounds fine with me. It'll take me some time, but I'll go ahead and tackle the List of Batman villains. Though I would like more than one set of eyes for fixing the Batman villains article. (At first glance it looks fine, but when you look deeper...) Plus, it could use expansion, actually. Sections on adaptations, and the various imaginary stories/elseworlds, for example. - jc37 13:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I worked a bit on Magneto a couple months back and ran into some problems with DrBat (talk · contribs) who didn't appreciate my attempts. I'd be happy to try to edit things down again with some back-up. --NewtΨΦ 14:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm up for Magneto. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I'll pitch in. I'd also suggest for afterward Bob Kane and Bill Everett, two major figures with woefully slapdash articles. --Tenebrae 04:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also good. I think all of these are great. Let's hit Magneto first and then do one of the articles about real people. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 06:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to throw in Civil War: Front Line to that. For 11 issues, the article feels longer than 52! That's got way to much damn detail. She-Hulk needs help too, but as I'm not a Marvel Girl anymore, I can't fill in the blanks. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wolverine and project Sundays

OK, let's go to it. I'll start working on condensing plot stuff. Let's set the collaboration timeline at one week. We'll start a new collab each Sunday. Now, maybe we can keep to a schedule and work on this stuff. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can work on real-world references; Comic Book Nation is very useful for most major characters and events, and I can find a bit through Google and by searching the comics news sites. WesleyDodds 09:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, this is insanely informative: [1]. It even has citations. WesleyDodds 07:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Next project

So . . . what next? WesleyDodds 08:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tenebrae suggesterd Bob Kane or Bill Everett. Which do you think? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bill Everett gives us more to work with with what's already there, so I suggest that one. WesleyDodds 16:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Bill Everett it is. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Death Men

I propose that we work on Sandman (Vertigo), not only because by doing so it'll make us look cool in front of goth chicks, but there's a number of resources to work from. For instance, last week DC published a reprint of issue #1 complete with Neil Gaiman's editorial from issue #4 about the conception of the series and some background sketches and notes. There's also that book The Sandman Companion and a number of articles about the book. What immediately strikes me regarding improvement of the article is how it currently suffers from the opposite problem a lot of comics articles tend to: there's virtually nothing about the actual substance of the series. There's small descriptions the story arcs constructed around the trade listings, but the series didn't exist primarily in trade form, after all. This page certainly needs material about plot, themes, major characters, conception, etc.WesleyDodds 10:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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