Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 4

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January 4

Category:Monika Kørra

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Monika Kørra - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category containing only the eponymous topic. —swpb^{T go beyond} 22:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Pedals

Propose deleting Category:Pedals - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Scope unclear; only one member. —swpb^{T go beyond} 22:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are now 7 members about different types of foot-operated devices. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 00:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Probable delete Whilst I can accept that there might be a need for a category 'about' pedals, these articles are all about equipment which happen to use/include a pedal. Twiceuponatime (talk) 10:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The pedal is a key element in these 7 devices. I would agree with your point if these were items which happen to have a pedal, among all sorts of controls. But you can't take away the foot pedals from a pedal keyboard or pedal harp. This new proposed category helps readers to find different items which have pedals playing a prominent role, and in the case of the pedal keyboard and pedal harp, a role so important to the item that the word "pedal" is in title.OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 09:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - The first article is for Bicycle pedal which incorporates a rotational linkage, and bears no relation to the mechanisms for pianos, harps etc. I agree that the pedals in those pieces of equipment are important but all they share is the name pedal which is why I am questioning the use of the category. I might go along with a Category:Pedal musical instruments or something. Twiceuponatime (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This seems entirely reasonable to me, not any different from Category:Wheels, Category:Screws, Category:Gears. Someone may well be interested in what sorts of modern things this simple-machine approach has been applied to, like pedal-based computer pointing devices, and so on. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 16:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, considering there are three articles in it which are actually about pedals. The other things I would say are Category:Pedal operated devices... Sionk (talk) 18:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Birds of São Tomé and Príncipe

Propose merging Category:Birds of São Tomé and Príncipe to Category:Birds of the Gulf of Guinea
Propose merging Category:Mammals of São Tomé and Príncipe to Category:Mammals of Sub-Saharan Africa
Propose merging Category:Birds of Annobón to Category:Birds of the Gulf of Guinea

Nominator's rationale: That, for example, common moorhen or fallow deer are found on these islands is non-defining for those species. Example of previous similar CFD: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 25. DexDor^(talk) 19:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:36, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the mammals; aside from humans, bats, and stowaways (e.g. rats), there's not much mammal communication between São Tomé e Príncipe and the mainland, so their presence there is significant, even if they're not endemic. Merge the birds per the reasons given at the previous CFD. Nyttend backup (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The only species in the mammals category (apart from those in the endemic subcategory) is fallow deer and being found on these islands is very non-defining for that species. DexDor^(talk) 22:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American labor leaders

Propose merging Category:American labor leaders to Category:American labor unionists

Nominator's rationale: This category represents an unnecessary distinction between labor leaders and rank and file members ~~that does exist for any other nationality~~. Notable individual leadership positions should be subcategorized. TM 14:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —swpb^{T go beyond} 19:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep Nomination is factually false. See Category:Trade union leaders for similar categories for other countries. There is a difference between union rank and file and leaders as anyone knowledgeable of the subject would know. Hmains (talk) 00:40, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've struck a portion of my rationale, thank you for pointing that out. However, no one is notable for simply being a member of a trade union. What is a trade union leader, anyway? Is anyone who is in any leadership position considered a leader? The distinction is unclear and unhelpful.--TM 03:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also not sure we need two categories but then I would rather keep the leaders category, because probably plain membership is not a defining characteristic. In any case it would require a fresh nomination for the global categories, we can't make changes like this for Americans only. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, on the basis there are plenty of labo(u)r activists and organizers who do not choose to become labo(u)r leaders (though admittedly they're more likely to become well known if they get elected to leadership positions). Sionk (talk) 12:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate time and space

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: closed in conjunction with Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 15#Category:Video game characters who can manipulate time and space.
Taken together, these discussions have two editors with policy-based reasons for deletion, and nobody offering policy-based reasons to keep. We have one editor supporting merger of the video game subcat and one opponent of that merge. However, the issue of merger is moot if fictional characters are not to be categorised by this attribute ... so the result is delete both Category:Video game characters who can manipulate time and space and Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate time and space. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate time and space - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary and vague category. The notice reads "Must be a defining trait - Characters with access to vast powers (i.e. magical spells, advanced technology, genetic engineering, etc.) who are theoretically capable of this superhuman feature or ability - but whom have neither made regular use, nor provided a notable example, of this extraordinary or supernatural feat - are not listed here." Being "theoretically capable" sounds like if they "can". What is "regular use"? What's the cut-off?

The category explanation says: "fictional characters who can create, shape and manipulate time and space; this includes physics distortion, reality warping, and time manipulation, or any related ability to control the workings of the universe at both the supergalactic and subatomic levels". So it's again about characters who not only "theoretically" (I love it that it's about fictional characters that theoretically can do something) have time and space altering powers, but have done so in the works that they've appeared in. Also, time and space; do these characters all have the powers to manipulate both? Do we need two subcategories? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the intended scope of this category is unclear. It might also overlap with Category:Fictional characters with gravity abilities. What we do not have, though, is Category:Fictional characters with time travel abilities for time travel as a superpower. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 14:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the child Category:Video game characters who can manipulate time and space has been nominated for merge, see this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep; let's wait until the other CFD is done. We don't want to end up with contradictory results in concurrent discussions, so let's hold them one at a time. Nyttend backup (talk) 17:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I propose to close this simultaneously with Category:Video game characters who can manipulate time and space. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Muttahida Qaumi Movement MPs

Propose renaming Category:Muttahida Qaumi Movement MPs to Category:Muttahida Qaumi Movement MNAs

Nominator's rationale: this is a subcat of Category:Members of the National Assembly of Pakistan, normally abbreviated as "MNA", e.g. in Category:MNAs of the National Assembly of Pakistan by term and its subcats. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Muttahida Qaumi Movement MPs can accommodate bios related to MQM MNA's, Senators as well MPAs (Member of the provincial assembly) while Cat:Muttahida Qaumi Movement MNAs can only accommodate MNA's belonging to MQM which is not very large in size. --Saqib (talk) 12:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib: we already have Category:Muttahida Qaumi Movement politicians as a catch-all categ. We don't need another one.

This one is a subcat of Category:Members of the National Assembly of Pakistan, so it is set up to be for MNAs only. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:40, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS I just checked Category:Muttahida Qaumi Movement MPs. All but one of the 24 articles in the category are MNAs (the exception is Sohail Mashadi). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]