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Sources

--Another Believer (Talk) 16:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit

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Hi, I've volunteered to copyedit Weather Machine (sculpture). None of my edits are law; please feel free to revert anything I've done that you disagree with, and feel free to contact me with any concerns that aren't solved with a simple revert.

I think it would be nice if the article could have an explanation of 'Terence O'Donnell and his "funny Irish jig"'—this line seemed to me to pop out form nowhere and left me scratching my head. Also, the infobox states the structure is 30ft, but the body states it is 25–30ft. Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the copy edit. I agree with your edits. Much appreciated. I agree re: the jig. I thought the same thing myself, but alas the source does say just that... I am still conducting research and hope the connection becomes more obvious. I am not sure what to do about the 25-30 foot height range; sources indicate both, so in the prose I reflect the range but this is not possible using the infobox parameters (as far as I know). I went with the larger of the two numbers for the infobox. --Another Believer (Talk) 14:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I think I'm done with this copyedit. As I said already, feel free to revert anything you disagree with. Also, I haven't checked sources, checked for comprehensiveness, etc etc, or done anything beyond simple copyediting. You might want to double-check what I've done to ensure I haven't introduced any errors, or worded things so that they contradict what the sources say.
If you're really aiming at GA with this, then I think you'll probably have to get the height thing straightened out. At the very least, it needs an explanatory endnote. The infobox is more problematic—I don't think we can really just choose one height over the other. Maybe you can find help at the template's talk page—maybe they either can show you how to display it, or they can fix the template some way. Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your edits look fine to me -- thanks again! --Another Believer (Talk) 15:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I found a source that says the sculpture is 33 feet tall, which widens the height range even more. I posted a comment on the infobox talk re: ranges for measurements. In the meantime, I left the height parameter at 30 foot, and the prose mentions the range from 25 feet to 33 feet. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. The infobox now displays the height range. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review

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Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 23:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Description and history

  • Ponzi winning the international competition should come before the list of contributors. As it is currently, the brackets look out of place in the middle of the list. Also, was there any coverage of the call for entries? Even just when the call was would be of interest. Does the five years include time before they won the bid, or was it that long a delay in installation after things were awarded?
    • The work is often attributed to Omen Design Group. When names are mentioned, they are mentioned as a collective. I went ahead and removed the parenthetical, but I think keeping the names of the contributors together is important, as the sources do this as well. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did not find details about the competition itself, or the reason for the delay. From what I can gather, the artists just spent time working on the various pieces of the sculpture and assembling them in Beaverton. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sculpture is inspired by Terence O'Donnell, and his funny jig. Is there a significance of O'Donnell to the sculptors? Or was it just "here's a random Portland resident". I've added that he's local, feel free to modify.
    • This came up during the Guild of Copy Editors review as well. Multiple sources said O'Donnell inspired the sculpture, without indicating exactly how. I did not leave out any important information here, I just incorporated what sources stated. Thanks for adding the local bit. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you reference the fact that the square opened in 1984? The name makes it sound like the town square in Back to the Future, something that had been there forever.
  • Was Willard Scott the Today weather man at the time? If so, this would explain his significance to the dedication.
  • Between 25 and 33 ft tall... do the statue's appendages really add that much height, or is it a case that the reporting is that variable? If different sources report different heights, I'd suggest it's time to contact the Pioneer Courthouse Square workers to settle which sources are right on this matter.
  • Red lights mark ever ten degrees. How many red lights are there? ie, how high can the temperature go before it hits its peak?
  • "you don't want to breathe so much when the white light is on”: I thought that white lights meant "above freezing"? Or is there another set of white lights?
  • "and indicated a temperature of 82 degrees." I thought it could only indicate temperature in ten degree increments.
  • "This prompted the executive director of Pioneer Courthouse Square to consider altering the machine's schedule so that the public would have a chance to see all three symbols." Huh? How's that work?

External links

Here's the start. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have responded to all of your comments; please let me know if any concerns remain to be addressed. I have searched the online material very thoroughly plus the online Oregonian archives through the library, which go back to 1987. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, everything seems to be as solid as possible, passing. Congrats (and sorry for not noticing your edits sooner)! -- Zanimum (talk) 23:32, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Use of non-free images in this article

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This article currently (14 Nov 2013) uses three images, and all are tagged as free images. However, since they may be seen as derivative works of the copyrighted sculpture, all are nominated for deletion on Commons. (See Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:PioneerSquareWeatherMachine.jpg for the centralized deletion discussion on Commons, and see this talk page discussion for further details.)

Even if they are deemed non-free derivative works and are deleted from Commons, we can still upload the images to en.wiki and use them under our non-free content policy, so long as they fulfill all our non-free content criteria. I have no doubt that using a single image of the Weather Machine would be acceptable under Wikipedia policy. My questions are: would our policy allow two non-free images of the sculpture, so long as they are showing different aspects or configurations? Could three ever be acceptable? And which image or images should we use? (Note in particular NFCC#3b, which states "Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.")

The article currently uses:

In addition, we might consider File:Weather Machine, Portland, Oregon (2013) - 3.jpeg, which shows a very different angle.

Comments? Opinions? – Quadell (talk) 14:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just uploaded File:Weather Machine plaque (2013).jpg, which should be appropriate for Wikipedia. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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