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How to submit a page

I have an account and have a page which I think is ready to submit. How do I do this? Jillabus (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Go to the page in question (I assume you mean your user page) and use the "Move" option from the menu. You might have to select "More" first to see this option. It will ask you for a new article name. For future reference, your user page is not the normal place to develop a new page. Try your sandbox User:Jillabus/sandbox, or a subpage (say User:Jillabus/Gault archaeological site in this case. or draft space. Meters (talk) 04:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. Because all of your edits have been to your userspace your account is not yet autoconfirmed so you cannot move the page yourself. You may request the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. Meters (talk) 04:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a very impressive first page. We don't use embedded external links but that's a minor issue. I'd suggest fixing that before havign the page moved. Meters (talk)

Or any one of us who is autoconfirmed could move it. I've done so, the page is now at Gault archaeological site. Rojomoke (talk) 05:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

But that leaves a redirect at User:Jillabus that will have to be taken care of. Jillabus could just blank the page if they know how to get there.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:43, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done - I removed the redirect. The page User:Jillabus is now available for Jillabus to use, or not, as desired. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Centralized Announcement System

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software requests the installation of the Centralized Announcement System on a users talk page. Anyone able to kindly advise where one finds said beast, and how one actually installs it? I've checked various areas of Wikipedia, but have been unable, thus far, to find any appropriate reference to it. A short post on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software talk page, as advised by another user, has yet to bring a suitable response. RedDwarfPlanet (talk) 13:49, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@RedDwarfPlanet: welcome to the Teahouse, what you want is buried deep at Wikipedia:WikiProject Software/templates#Centralized Announcement System. That said the project looks a bit moribund so I don't think there would be a lot of traffic as the template has hardly been amended since 2010. Nthep (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Nthep: Thanks very much for the info. Cheers!(RedDwarfPlanet (talk) 09:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC))

@RedDwarfPlanet: When you join that Wikiproject, you should receive a welcome message with that information (see the link provided above by Nthep).--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Then maybe I missed a step, somehow? Again, thanks very much for the info. Cheers!(RedDwarfPlanet (talk) 09:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC))

Attaching a picture to the draft

I have posted my draft article on my Sandbox and uploaded 2 illustrative diagrams. One of the diagrams is attached to the draft and the other one is not. It is visible in the list of uploads with me as the author but I am not able to link it to my draft. Please advice how to link it and after that how to publish my draft. Thank you,Mat phys (talk) 08:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You had merely included the filename but forgotten to format it as a link; see this correction. As for publishing, before you think of that you need to sort out the referencing. Read Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:Citing sources. If your references demonstrate that the subject of the draft is notable in Wikipedia's terms, you can think of putting {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft to submit it for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Another point is that you have no wikilinks to other Wikipedia articles, so you ought to read WP:Manual of Style/Linking. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

David Biddulph, Thank you for your helpful advice. After I get the pictures, I intend to get my article reviewed before publishing. That would have been my next question - how to submit it for review. I am trying to read the help pages. I have also marked some places in my article where I would give links to other articles in Wikipedia. Thank you again. Mat phys (talk) 15:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I would recommend that you forget about pictures for now and concentrate on references to show notability of the subject. Without demonstrating notability in Wikipedia's terms, you will be wasting your time. At first glance, your draft looks like something which would be much more suited to a scientific journal than to Wikipedia; see WP:NOTJOURNAL. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks David. I will add the references and then seek your advice. It is probably written in the style of a journal paper, that may need changing. However, it is not a journal paper because all the material in the article is based upon published knowledge. Thanks. Mat phys (talk) 22:33, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

David,thank you very much for your what you called "little bit of advice". I really value your advice and I appreciate it that you are taking so much of interest in helping me to refine my article. Thank you.

I hope you get this message. Actually, I am never sure if I can reach you. The only way, I can seek help is through Tea House but the Tea House link of older questions get relegated to the extent that they may be lost into the oblivion as the time passes. Anyway, thanks for the advice. After I incorporate all the references (which is taking a lot of time and effort), I will reformulate Ref 5. Thank you again for your help. Mat phys (talk) 07:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Mat phys: old Teahouse posts are archived, but not deleted, so you can always find them using the search box under the table of contents. However, it is not good practice to reply to a section in an archive: to do that, you should either start a new section in the current Teahouse page, and wikilink the old section; or if more appropriate, you might reply on the user talk page of somebody. In this case, you found the question still on the page, so replying here is fine; and if you had pinged David Biddulph (as I have just done), he would get a notification. (I used {{U|David Biddulph}} to ping him, but there are other ways as well.) --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

How to find complete list of categories

A week or so ago I found complete list of categories with an extended alphabet at the top giving links. Try as I can I am unable to find it again. Could you direct me to it please?Pogga D (talk) 11:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Pogga D. See Special:Categories. TimothyJosephWood 11:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Notability of a music-related topic

Hi all,

I'm trying to create an article on the house music DJ and producer Dixon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dixon). The draft has been declined because the references "do not adequately show the subject's notability". I've been reading the guidelines under notability (music) and today I've added several more sources, so I would really appreciate some help from any editors here to let me know if this entry now meets the notability standard, and if not, what kinds of references might help.

I'll just quicky note here some of the references I believe are particularly reliable and independent: The BBC (UK) Billboard Magazine (US) Die Welt (national daily German newspaper) Die Tageszeitung (national daily German newspaper) Trax (French music magazine, also published in print) Mixmag (UK magazine, also published in print) "Lost and Sound" (book published by Suhrkamp) Ale8or (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Billboard and BBC are really good oned I know of by reputation; the others sound reliable to me except the book (I didn't know WP published books?). Basically, more news and magazine sources are good if you can find them, and unless they're tabloids or those fake news sites, they should count as reliable. Features on Dixon in newspapers or magazines should adequately demonstrate his notability. Looking at the draft it seems pretty close, but it would help if his discography includes whether the single/album got on the Top 100 or something else significant. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply White Arabian Filly. The book is published by Suhrkamp - a major European publisher. I was trying to link to its Wikipedia page here (fixed that now). Regarding the lack of a Top 100 single/album: Dixon is primarily known as a DJ. His music productions are secondary in comparison. I think getting the No.1 spot in the RA poll is good evidence of notability for a DJ - most of the articles referenced mention this fact. --Ale8or (talk) 09:33, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Another notability criterion that the article meets is "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city". This is evidenced by the quotes from Die Welt, Die Tageszeitung and Mixmag.--Ale8or (talk) 10:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

The only comment that I have to add is that the list of Remixes and Edits is too long, and I would suggest trimming it. See Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Robert McClenon I have implemented your suggestion. You also previously noted that the draft will require disambiguation. I'll need to look up how to do that. Then there's one more issue that was noted by Scorpion293: "the article needs to be cleaned up". I'm not sure what exactly needs to be done in this case. Can anyone help me out with this? --Ale8or (talk) 13:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Editor going IP

Hello, is it wrong for a editor to intercalate edits between an account and a IP? Bertdrunk (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

It would be better not to do so, and would be better to edit entirely from the account. In some cases, alternating between editing from an account and editing from an IP could be treated as sockpuppetry, in particular if the intent was to appear to be multiple people. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

While Robert McClenon's advice is in general good, WP:LOGOUT does say "There is no policy against editing while logged out per se", Bertdrunk. So, discouraged, yes; wrong, no. --ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks people. Bertdrunk (talk) 13:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Citation Message

Hello,

As a beginner with the help of Wiki Tutorial I tried to add citation source to few Wikipedia pages as requested but I wasn't able to remove that message of citation so do anyone know how to remove it from the page after linking is done.

Signing HarrisJayaraj (talk) 06:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, HarrisJayaraj. The template that generates the tag at the beginning of an article is generated by the first line of wikicode in the article. Simply remove that wikicode, save, and the tag will go away. If a section is tagged, the wikicode at the beginning of that section will generate the tag. Remove it when the issue is resolved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi HarrisJayaraj. In addition, most maintenance tags have this linked message in them (Learn how and when to remove this template message). The linked page has a lot of information on this topic.

The fact you have taken on this activity of adding references is wonderful. The last thing I want to do is discourage you from that really core, important activity. I do have some suggestions however about things to keep in mind when doing it.

What we are looking for mostly is the addition of highly reliable, secondary sources, entirely independent of the topic of the article. For example, mainstream books (which can sometimes be sourced at Google Books), newspaper article (see Google News Archive and Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources) and the like.

Some of the citations you added to Big Sky, Montana were not of this type, but rather were non-independent, web based, tourist cites, a real estate company's website trying to get people to buy there and so touting its virtues, and in one case, another Wikipedia article (which cannot be used as a source at all). So, the {{refimprove}} tag still belongs in that article in my opinion, because even after your additions, there are still large swaths of the content that remain unsourced, and because some of the citations in it now are not of the reliable types we want. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Moved an Article out of Sandbox

Hi, I moved an article out of Sandbox but it was never published! HELPMMay25 (talk) 20:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi MMay25, it looks like another editor has put it under the title Draft:Speaking in Tongues (documentary). They must have thought it's not quite ready to be published in msinspace, but it's still in Wikipedia. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

moving a draft to published

Hi, I created an article in my sandbox. How do I publish it? Editoremacb (talk) 18:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Editoremacb. Your draft has been moved to main space as Office of the Quartet. However, we already have a well-developed article called Quartet on the Middle East. It seems to me that these two articles should be merged. What do you think? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:25, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Organisation THEOplayer

Hello, I want to launch my company THEOplayer. We have some very good references and are the best video player of Europe.

What should I do to launch our page? (Bartalbrechttheo)

We were refused because there was advertisment in but we offer advertisement in our player.

Bartalbrechttheo (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Bartalbrechttheo. It looks like your article has been nominated for deletion because it read like an advertisement. Content on Wikipedia needs to be written in a neutral encyclopedic tone, in the same way you would expect to read an article in Worldbook or Encyclopædia Britannica.

Also, to show that your company is notable enough to have its own article, you need to demonstrate that is has had sustained non-trivial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the company. This is done by including references in the article. For guidance on how to do this see Help:Referencing for beginners.

Finally, since you are connected with the company you are trying to write about, you should take a moment and review Wikipedia guidelines on conflict of interest, as failure to follow these may lead to a restriction or loss of editing privileges. TimothyJosephWood 16:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bartalbrechttheo. Wording such as "THEOplayer is the industry-leading HTML5 based video player delivering a world-class viewer experience across devices" is highly promotional and is not that way that an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia describes topics. You say that you want to launch your product, but Wikipedia is not the place to do that. We are an encyclopedia, not a promotional tool. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Best, we sell as Bitmovin, JW Player also advertisement in our player. This is one of the features that we sell. So I don't understand why they can mention that and we are not allowed to do that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmovin We are also award winning, probably it is better to make a link to our references of Streaming Media? I have only mentioned links at the bottom or do I need to implement this via References? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartalbrechttheo (talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

The problem is not that there is advertising in the player, Bartalbrechttheo, but rather that the Wikipedia article you wrote was overly promotional and that it is not clear that the player has received significant coverage in reliable independent sources, which is what we require to have an article about a topic. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@Bartalbrechttheo: New companies like yours generally do not meet the requirements that Timothyjosephwood mentions above to be noteable (in Wikipedia's meaning of the word). You will need to wait until there is a substantial body of reliable, independent discussion about the company before its article would be suitable for inclusion. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

• @Bartalbrechttheo: Wikipedia is not the place to promote your company. "References" from your website do not establish notability. You should not write or even edit any article about your company or its competitors because you have a conflict of interest. Someone who does not work for the company would need professionally published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically about your company but not affiliated with, connected to, written by, hosted by, nor sponsored by your company to establish notability. Any other articles that have slipped through the cracks do not justify further mistakes, so "what about this other article" doesn't help. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Contains Runic text

The articles Runes and Bind rune, and doubtless others, display only black boxes in the text where runes should be. I would expect a warning message or instructions in or near the infobox, as is done for IPA characters, but I have found none.

Opening the page in the editor shows a call to Template:Contains Runic text. What's it for? Presumably it's supposed to produce some kind of display, but it doesn't. See (or rather don't see) test here:

nowiki: {{Contains Runic text}}

TEMPLATE CALL HERE--->Template:Contains Runic text<---TEMPLATE CALL HERE

The template's code consists of a parameterized call to another template, which also doesn't display anything, though that's probably because it needs the arguments to be filled:

nowiki: {{Contains special characters| compact = {{{compact|}}}| section = {{{1|}}}| image = {{{image|Tyr-runes.svg}}}| special = [[runes|runic]] characters| characters = runes| width = {{{width|}}}}}<noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>

(Omitting the "Documentation" part):

TEMPLATE CALL HERE--->

<---TEMPLATE CALL HERE

The runic characters have been input directly into the wikicode. I looked up the Unicode chart and put one in by code point. No help:

Escaped: &amp:#x16A0; FEHU

CHARACTER DISPLAY--->ᚠ FEHU<---CHARACTER DISPLAY

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 02:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Thnidu. The template displays fine here (twice) (as substituted) as well as at the articles Runes and Bind rune (as transcluded). You don't see the boxes here or at these articles (or at the top of the template page) saying:

This page contains runic
characters. Without proper rendering
support, you may see question marks,
boxes, or other symbols instead of
runes.?

The template is to tell users that runes included on the page , not in the template, may not display properly without special browser support and provides links to help pages that might help you glean the support you need for proper display. The template itself contains a few runes just to show what runes are, and those might not display for you, if the very problem the template is warning about is a problem for you, but the balance of the text should be shown.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Weirder and weirder, Fuhghettaboutit.

1. I was originally seeing and describing the problem on my smartphone (Samsung Android S-6, model # SM-G920V, Android v6.0.1, kernel v3.10.61). I should have mentioned that right out.
2. Now, on my laptop, I see it in Runes but not in Bind rune. The latter has no infobox; could that have something to do with it?
3. But I also see it both times here on this talk page, where there is no infobox.

(BTW, I adjusted your indent. Your rendering of the template text wasn't indented at all.)

--Thnidu (talk) 06:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@Thnidu: I erroneously said it was displaying in Bind rune (I just saw it displaying everywhere you weren't so I was not careful in my look there). It's not even posted on that page, though {{runic}} is, which unlike the template at issue, is for display of runes and redirects to {{Script/Runic}}, which "allows users to specify their own style for Runic script. Proper display of the characters is achieved by explicit font declarations". I have no idea why the template wouldn't display on your android, except that it seems to me lots of parts of the interface are not displayed in the mobile view, by design.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

estiahwiki.com

estiahwiki is down. Neither myself nor my friends/associates can access estiahwiki.com..... Why??216.227.53.28 (talk) 16:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but this page is for help in the use of Wikipedia, not estiahwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Providing External Links

Hi,

I have access to a large number of Japanese press translations from just after World War II and would like to provide links to some of these in relevant articles. How can I ensure that a source is sufficiently relevant to a topic to warrant a link? For example, I have one source that lists the proposed rules and policies of the Japanese Communist Party as of February 1946. Would this be worth linking in the Japanese Communist Party article?

Thank you.

Kwarstadt3 (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Kwarstadt3. One option is certainly to follow Wikipedia's guideline on being bold, and add them yourself. If someone disagrees and reverts you, then you can discuss whether it's appropriate on the article's talk page. Another could be to post a link to the material on a related WikiProject, like WikiProject Military history, and see if they have any good ideas where it might fit in. Hope this helps. TimothyJosephWood

Recurrent "this is an oprhan page" despite my creating the link

I created a page that is now published (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Emsley_(crystallographer)) and have linked to this page from the appropriate site (here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coot_(software)). Having created a link to the former from the latter, I deleted the "This article is an orphan" notice on the page I had created. This orphan notice continues to return, being added, as far as I can tell, by a bot; what do I do to remove this notice? Have I not created the link properly somehow? 131.249.80.207 (talk) 18:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like all you did was remove the date from the orphan tag, rather than removed the whole thing. All AnomieBOT did was date the tag, because that's pretty much what it does around doing. I have removed the orphan tag in its entirety and you shouldn't see it back. TimothyJosephWood 18:18, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Grammar and quick edits of grammar to repair

When I am just casually reading an article and notice something simple (not integral to meaning or teaching) in grammar usage, (will find out "how to" repair quickly) would like to know how to correct the mistake.?? Without what I would call a major edit. Kind of like a school teacher putting a red tick mark on a paper's error. in regards to article on Poland... there is some kind of restriction.Lon Watkins (talk) 08:05, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Lon Watkins, and welcome to the Teahouse!

A fairly large portion of the edits on Wikipedia are just these sorts of corrections. Just edit the page and correct them, especially if the error is obvious. When you're not sure, you can just leave it for someone else or raise the question on the talk page for the article.

Some articles are protected from editing by anonymous or very new editors. In that case, the proper thing to do is place an edit request on the talk page for the article. Another editor will check out the request and either perform it or give a reason why it won't be done.

Other change to content are a bigger deal. They should come with more of an explanation in the edit summary or with supporting citations.

After a few more days and a few more edits, you'll be able to make these sorts of edits (on semi-protected pages) yourself.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:18, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lon Watkins
As you are concerned about the Poland article - it is worth noting that, although the date format is specified as dmy, no English variation is specifically listed for that article. However the article appears to be in British English (Neighbour, colour, etc.) which should not be changed. It is a common mistake for new editors to correct what they think are "mistakes" in spelling and grammar, that are not mistakes in the variety of English that the article is written in. - Arjayay (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Grammar, not spelling. Something that is commonly over looked. At the end of a paragraph, "lived 'in'," should be left just,"lived." Nothing special. That's what my inquiry is about. Am quite familiar with British type English. I read a lot and will just continue a slow evolution into this edit opportunity. Guess I learned how to sign my posts. Thanks for the trouble. Lon Watkins (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't find that error. Which article is it in? Dbfirs 21:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, how can i get an article published so it can appear in the google search?

Vero y Michelle (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

HI, im editing a page about a famous tennis player named Francisco Segura. How can you change the name of the page?

I want to change it from Vero y Michelle/ Sandbox to Francisco Segura. Vero y Michelle (talk) 23:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Vero y Michelle and welcome to the Teahouse. User:Vero y Michelle/sandbox appears to be written in Spanish. This is the English Wikipedia, so an article on him would need to be written in English. Spanish language articles need to be on Spanish Wikipedia. Also, is he the same person as Pancho Segura, who has an article already? If so, please expand that article (in English) rather than creating a new article. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

How to get a draft published to the main page for all to see??

Hi! Thank you everyone for the welcome. Iam very new and very excited to begin contributing and donating. This is surly going to be so much fun for me.

I created a draft last night. I've edited it 13-15 times and now I'm ready to have it published or sent in for the main site for all to see. How do I go above having it live on the main wikipedia page? I apologize if this isnt the right place to ask or post this. I was invited here. I'm just learning.

Thank you so much for your help

))

Leenaray Leenaray (talk) 23:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you were to move that draft to mainspace in its current state it would immediately be deleted. You need to read WP:Your first article, then Wikipedia's definition of notability, and provide references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

How can i change my wikipedia article to the english wikipedia?

Vero y Michelle (talk) 23:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Vero y Michelle. You can expand the existing article on Pancho Segura, with an English translation of the content you wrote in your sandbox, so long as you carefully source all the content you add with citations to high quality, reliable, secondary, independent sources.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)