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Within a reference, can a comment be removed?

Greetings, For example, at article Ancient Diocese of Alais there is comment (  ) wikicode within a reference. Can or should this be deleled? There are additional articles with this same comment, so I am asking here for help. Thanks. — JoeHebda • (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Joe. Text contained in  doesn't...shouldn't have any effect on the way the article displays. If it does for some reason, it can probably be removed with no consequence. A lot of times this is used in article to note where an extensive, but still somewhat controversial consensus has been achieved and should be respected, especially where casual editors who are unaware are likely to make well meaning contributions against consensus. For example, say...if Japan, Korea, and China disagreed on what the real name of a body of water is, and it gets changed on nearly a daily basis. TimothyJosephWood 21:42, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi JoeHebda. The short answer is yes, but it indicates that a human hasn't looked it over yet. Reference titles added the by bot often aren't very good and references need more than a title. Complete the information needed so it has a title, publisher, author if there is one, date if there is one. Then remove the comment. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, JoeHebda. Another example is when I did this to (hopefully) deter some unwanted date changes. When used correctly, they don't affect the appearance of an article at all, but edits like this one can unintentionally make entire sections disappear, as I learned that day. (Thankfully, that was quickly noticed by another user and we eventually figured out the problem — the extra ! at the end of the invisible comment.) -- Gestrid (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi all, Thank you for these answers. Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 00:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Untranslated hidden text, and ambiguous access date

Caña de millo has two untranslated sections (i.e., still in Spanish) at the end of the article, hidden in an . I have added {{Expand Spanish}} at the end of the article, plus the following note (because this is not the usual use of that template, and I don't know of a more appropriate one):

NOTE: There are two sections at the end of this article that are (still) in Spanish, hidden in an HTML comment: "Características" and "Ejecución". They should be translated and unhidden, with or without use of the es:wiki article.

By the way...

The last two translated sections still had their titles in Spanish. I translated those to English, and added anchors for the previous titles on the preceding line..
See Talk:Caña de millo § Fondación date. I don't think it's that important to get the access date for a 2011 access accurate to less than a month, and I've tried the only thing I could think of, without success.

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 06:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Thnidu: The "Note" which you added to the article, and repeated above, should not be part of the article. I have therefore removed it from the article and placed it on the article's talk page, which is the preferred place for discussing improvements to the article. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Create an infobox

Muhadin Kishev (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I would be grateful for some help in creating an infobox for my article MUHADIN KISHEV. Thank you Dywana (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I've fixed the infobox at Draft:Muhadin_Kishev for you. Mduvekot (talk) 19:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Dywana: I am concerned about the gallery in that draft. Has the artist released his copyright in those fifteen paintings? Maproom (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Maproom: Thank you for your concern about the Gallery on my draft article: MUHADIN KISHEV. I had my doubts as to whether I have used the correct format. I uploaded them via Wikicommons. The artist is happy for the images to be there and has given his verbal consent, it should mean that they can be used as long as the provenance and all the details about the painting are included. The images are not large enough to be reproduced as prints. I just thought that on a page about an artist it is interesting to see some images, as art is about that, about images, rather than words. Also I considered it significant for the wide range of his work to be seen, from the Soviet period up to his work today. I had a look at the Wikipedia "Zagraevsky" page and saw that he also had a Gallery which gave me the idea. Finally thank you for your magic help. I got up this morning determined to tackle the infobox and found that it had all been done for me. I really do appreciate that!! Dywana (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)DywanaDywana (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Dywana. I'm afraid verbal permission is not enough: in order for a file to be accepted on Wikimedia commons, it must be explicitly released by the copyright holder under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose (including commercially) as long as they attribute it. It is unlikely that an artist would agree to do this, but if they do, they (not you) need to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials.

Usually for an artist, the best that can be done is one or maybe two images uploaded to Wikipedia (not to Commons) under the non-free content criteria: note that the use must match all of these criteria (which is why only one or two images would be allowed).

It is a pity especially for articles about artists that this is the case; but one of Wikipedia's principles is that its contents be reusable. The article can of course contain a link to the artist's website. --ColinFine (talk) 10:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

ColinFine: Thank you for the clarification about the images. Could you advise me as how to proceed? The article has already been approved and is on Wikipedia class C. Shall I delete the Gallery from the article? What shall I do about the works being on Wikicommons? Can I delete them from there? Dywana (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)DywanaDywana (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

You cannot delete the images from Commons, but you can go there and request their deletion. The procedure is described here. This will cause them to be deleted in a few days, and after that, the gallery in the draft will stop showing them, and become a gallery with missing images. Maproom (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

So I would suggest that you do remove the gallery from the article, Dywana, and consider if you want to upload and add one of the pictures under the NFCC. Paradoxically, you don't even need the artist's agreement to do this! --ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine for your advice. I will set about doing that right now. I am sorry to have made this mistake with the images. Dywana (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)DywanaDywana (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

How do I attach a link after I finished editing, backing up why I made changes?

Redpanda6633 (talk) 14:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you are asking how to include a reference, for example to support this change, then try Help:Referencing for beginners. For the future, it is wiser to include references in the same edit as you change the text, as otherwise your text changes may be reverted as unsourced. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

How do I find an article to edit?

I need help finding articles that need editing that I know enough about to edit. How do I find any? H0lly (talk) 19:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi H0lly, there are many ways. You can get User:SuggestBot to leave a list of interesting articles on your talk page. You can also look at the WikiProject Directory and join any of interest, which will probably have a list of articles needing work. You can also click the random article button. One thing I like to do is search for categories, like typing Category:Horses or whatever into the search box. When the category comes up, you can look at and edit the articles within the category. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

You can also click here to do so Varun FEB2003 15:40, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

User CSS Question

How do I create a page in my userspace with the .css extension? Gary "Roach" Sanderson (talk) 19:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Gary, welcome to the Teahouse. You just visit Special:MyPage/common.css (local to English Wikipedia), or meta:Special:MyPage/global.css (all WMF wikis), and create the page. They are also linked from the Appearance tab of your preferences. If you need more detail than that, please ask. See also: Help:User style Murph9000 (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gary "Roach" Sanderson: Note that you can also create pages in JavaScript (.js). You can go to either Special:MyPage/common.js (local to English Wikipedia) or meta:Special:MyPage/global.js (all WMF wikis) to create them. Also note that there are other CSS and JavaScript pages you can create. All or most of them should have a link to them in your preferences (linked above). If you're planning on using a script someone else has already written, most of them contain instructions about where to put them. -- Gestrid (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

You can also create a page with some other name and CSS extension like User:Username/Pagename.css Varun FEB2003 15:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Paul Godfrey (lyricist) article query

Paul Godfrey (lyricist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Is there any information that you would advise I add to make this article deemed notable. It seems strange that it is up for deletion when there are lesser artists who have pages on Wikipedia. Samfov (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia makes no judgment about whether a subject is "great", Samfov, or indeed whether they are famous, popular, influential, important, worthy, good, bad, evil, or any other value-based judgment. The only relevant judgment is whether there exist sufficient published resources which are both from reliable publishers and completely independent of the subject, because an article should be written only from such sources. If such sources exist, we say the subject is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and there may be an article about them. If such sources do not exist, or are only superficial, then it is literally impossible to write a satisfactory article about the subject, so Wikipedia forbids the attempt.

It may well be that some of the articles on "lesser" artists that you mention should be deleted: our standards used to be more lax, and we have more than five million articles. If you think that some of them are not notable (in Wikipedia's sense) you are welcome to nominate them for deletion: see Deletion process. --ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Review of a Page

Draft:Gc Watches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I've tried creating a page a few times, and unfortunately used too much promotional language so it was deleted (more than once.. oops!) with some advice from an admin I've created a draft page that I hope to get moved to being live but before that I'd like to ask for any advice to improve the current article! Thanks Croftleah (talk) 17:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Croftleah. The thing to remember is that what goes into a Wikipedia article is not what you know, or what I know, and it is certainly not anything the subject has said about themselves. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no conenction with the subject have published about the subject. If you can't find a reliable published source for some information (which excludes anything from a blog, a wiki, or social media) don't put it in the article. And for anything other than uncontroversial factual information like locations and dates, if you can't find a published source which is wholly independent of the subject (which excludes anything based on press releases or interviews), don't put it in the article.

Most of the references in your draft are not independent, as they are based on interviews or press releases: you need to find independnet sources. And what Marciano may have said about himself or his company is not relevant to a Wikipedia article, unless possibly an independent commentator has discussed (not just quoted) what he says. --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Croftleah. The draft still reads as blatantly promotional. Encyclopedia articles don't usually, for example, contain flowery superlative quotes about how incredibly wonderful a topic is. Please also post your mandatory disclosure as a financially compensated editor before making further edits or respond to the message posted at your talk page that you are not—though it is exceedingly rare for a person to come here and edit all about a commercial venture if they are not. Also, since you released the copyright to GC Watches' logo at the Commons (by the way, it is very unusual for a commercial company to do that) that is essentially an admission that you are intimately involved in the company (or violating copyright in that upload; hard to find any daylight between those two positions).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

seeking help for completing my new draft article with Category, Personal Data etc.

Draft:Medhananda (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have written an English article about a notable person in the field of psychology and philosophy who is already "present" with an article in the German Wikipedia for one year (which I had written myself and edited with the help of a German mentor, who helped with the technical details) and in the French Wikipedia. Now I have prepared a similar English article in the draft section with references etc in the style Wikipedia requires. But I need some technical advice for adding the Categories in which the article should appear. Is there somebody who is interested in Psychology and Philosophy, and could help me do the "finish" of the article? Many thanks GoldenerBallGoldenerBall (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@GoldenerBall:. I do not see any references to independent, reliable sources in your draft article. Here on the English Wikipedia, articles must summarize what truly independent sources say about the topic. All of your references are either affiliated with Medhananda, or are explanatory notes rather than references to sources. In addition, your draft is not written from the neutral point of view. It makes various remarkable and opinionated statements about dreams and mythology in Wikipedia's voice, as if they were indisputably true. That is not an appropriate encyclopedic style of writing. Your tone is promotional. I would start all over again, summarizing only what reliable, independent sources say about this person, writing in a scrupulously neutral tone. Categories should be added only after a draft article is accepted to main space. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Too local so was not accepted

My page was not accepted because he said it was too local, but it is and always has been a Los Angeles event. So, my sources are the LA Times and other Los Angeles publications. What do I do to fix it without them being more specific.Jrmeizlish (talk) 23:27, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Jrmeizlish and welcome to the Teahouse. Events which only affect a local area generally do not meet Wikipedia's special concept of "notability". In particular see WP:GEOSCOPE which says: "An event affecting a local area and reported only by the media within the immediate region may not necessarily be notable." So it may not be a matter of how the article is written - the event itself may not be suitable for Wikipedia. See whether you can find in-depth coverage of the event in broader, reputable sources (not just local ones) to establish its notability.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)