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Proposals, October 2009

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Category:Nigerian sport stubs

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Encompassing category which would be home to around 100 stubs and several subcategories. Speediable?--TM 00:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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Category:New Hampshire Registered Historic Place stubs

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Seems to be somewhere around 200 articles tagged with {{NewHampshire-NRHP-stub}}, and more are being created; perhaps it's time to break the category out into one of its own. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Nigeria geography stubs

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Through some serious recent expansion, this category contains just a hair under 1,000 articles and exactly 0 templates. Propose speedy creation of templates for the 36 States of Nigeria with the expectation that all 36 will soon have enough for categories of their own.--TM 20:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Support, with the caveat that some may need dabbigh (e.g., {{EdoNG-geo-stub}}, since Edo's also the former name of Tokyo) The following would probably be the correct names for templates:
I'd also support categories (in the form Category:Foo State geography stubs) for any that reach 60. Grutness...wha? 23:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Support plenty of missing LGAs too. Himalayan 13:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Comment The sooner we create the templates and notify the creator of the hundreds of new articles, the easier the sorting job will be.--TM 13:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Support. Meant to earlier, but forgot, sorry. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
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Category:Austrian painter stubs

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A quick scan reveals 70-odd articles tagged with {{Austria-painter-stub}} - time for the cat to be made? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

That is speediable.. Himalayan 22:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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{{Bulgaria-company-stub}} Upmerged

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I propose the creation of {{Bulgaria-company-stub}}, upmerged to Category:European company stubs and Category:Bulgaria stubs. Likewise {{Albania-company-stub}}, upmerged to Category:European company stubs and Category:Albania stubs. -- Eastmain (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC) A while back I proposed to create company templates by country.... I never know what gets done around here anymore.... Himalayan 22:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Observatory stubs (and rename of same)

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Not desperately needed yet, with some 460 stubs, but it's probably worth splitting these, either by location or type of telescope (radio/optical). Given that a considerable number of observatories have both radio and optical equipment, it's probably best to split by country. The following is already category-worthy, and would greatly reduce the load in the main category:

No others have more than a dozen or so stubs, so a split by continent (possibly with by-country templates) seems more appropriate elsewhere - although many of these stubs aren't in the appropriate category in the Category:Astronomical observatories by country tree. Note, BTW, the addition of the word "astronomical" in the category title - this matches the parent permcat, and I've nominated Category:Observatory stubs for renaming at SFD to match it. Grutness...wha? 00:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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{{PRC-garden-stub}}

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China garden stub. Category:Asian garden stubs Starzynka (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Asian film stubs

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...is currently empty. However, I've noticed a number of new articles on Cambodan films coming down the pike. CatScan reveals 32 articles of 2000 bytes or less in Category:Cambodian films. Furthermore, there are 26 in Category:Thai films, 37 in Category:Indonesian films, and 16 in Category:Malaysian films. Might I suggest the following?

All uploading into Category:Asian film stubs for the moment. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted, definate support. Himalayan 13:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Serbia geography stubs

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750 stubs, oversized. Create templates by Districts of Serbia?

I'd recommend a category split by statistical region although like Bulgaria and SLovenia I think they are informal historical regions:

Again a little bit of detective work will be needed to organize this way.


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Split of Category:Government stubs needed

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Category contains just under 800 articles. Suggest creating upmerged stubs which feed into continental categories, e.g. Category:African government stubs etc. Thoughts?--TM 16:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

In fact I would go as far to make a bold proposal of creating templates by every country and upmerging regionally, beginning with Category:African government stubs etc. I'd support say a {{Nigeria-government-stub}} etc and upmerge. Himalayan 13:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea, that is what I meant. Seeing no objections, I'll begin this large project.--TM 17:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Split of Category:United Kingdom writer stubs

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Support, you don't know this Rosie but one of those articles is about my aunt.. Himalayan 13:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Very cool :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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{{China-rail-stub}}

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No Chinese railway tag?Starzynka (talk) 20:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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{{Palaeogeography-stub}}/Category:Palaeogeography stubs

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There seem to be plenty of these dotted around the various geology, regional geology, and geography categories. Certainly enough for a template, and probably enough for a category. Note the naming is a little diffuicul;t - the article is at Palaeogeography, but the permcat is at Category:Paleogeography. A redirectto the template seems useful, but if a category is needed its name may pose a problem (I personally support following the article name, but that's probably largely my Commonwealth English bias). Grutness...wha? 22:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Based on the CatScan link, support the template. Looks like there's enough for a cat so if >60 pgs, then support the cat, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks viable Himalayan 21:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. I've also created a further redirect from palaeo-geo-stub, which I suspect will be useful. Grutness...wha? 00:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

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Splits of Category:Church stubs

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Support the Canada one; support the US one iff we are splitting by faith, which IIRC we are. Grutness...wha? 22:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes support both templates. Checking over at CatScan, the US one will be around 99, so support a cat if it does exceed 60. Not sure that the UK one will exceed 60 yet. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC) I'm confused... what articles would fall under {{US-RC-church-stub}}? vs. the newly created (see below) {{US-RC-parish-stub}} as its template states it is about "Roman Catholicism in the United States" so even cathedrals/chapels/monasteries, which aren't typically parish churches, fall within the latter's scope. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Possibly silly question... isn't the Anglican faith called Episcopalian in the US? Or are they slightly different? Grutness...wha? 00:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Not a silly question. The Episcopal Church (United States) is part of the Anglican Communion. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Regarding {{US-anglican-church-stub}}, currently an upmerge, was there ever a consideration for naming it {{US-episcopal-church-stub}}? Seems to me that the stub template needs renaming before a stub cat is created so I've redacted the proposed United States Anglican church stubs cat... though a cat is viable, in my mind, this needs more discussion. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
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{{Ladakh-stub}}

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For general articles related to Ladakh. Might be viable for Category:Ladakh stubs we'll see.. Himalayan 11:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Would a {{Ladakh-geo-stub}} also be useful? Grutness...wha? 22:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there can be merged into the parent cat until viable. Himalayan 10:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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{{Nepal-royal-stub}}

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I've started working on Template:Malla rulers and is needed for this and other Nepalese royalty stubs. Need a template like {{India-royal-stub}}.

An upmerged template would certainly make some sense -we have about a dozen royals marked with {{Nepal-bio-stub}}, if CatScan is any judge. I doubt there'd be near enough for a separate category yet, though. Grutness...wha? 04:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
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{{Kenya-school-stub}} Category:Kenya school stubs

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Support upmerged template, category only if 60 are stubs. Waacstats (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto. Support upmerge template; and cat when there are 60. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Same here. Eastmain, please be aware that stub categories are normally only split when they reach around 800 stubs - 210 is almost the perfect number of articles for a stub category, and categories shouldn't exist if there are fewer than 60 stubs except in rare circumstances. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I proposed Africa school templates a while back. Support all school templates, split by region eventually when viable... Himalayan 11:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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{{Tanzania-school-stub}} Upmerged stub?

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Support upmerged template Waacstats (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto support. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto, template only. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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{{Uganda-school-stub}} Upmerged stub? ]

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Support upmerged template Waacstats (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Ditto support. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
As above. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I proposed Uganda-school-stub last month. Didn't anybody here remember? Himalayan 11:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Nah - no-one listens to anything you say ;) Seriously, there are so many proposals here it's very difficult to keep track of them all, so the occasional double-proposal is inevitable. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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Create provincial templates for Bulgaria

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Category:Bulgaria geography stubs 655 articles but many missing villages red linked ready for starting by province. I'd recommend creating templates by province and then upmerging into regional categories.

Templates for:

Blagoevgrad, Burgas, Dobrich, Gabrovo, Haskovo, Kardzhali, Kyustendil, Lovech, Montana, Pazardzhik, Pernik, Pleven, Plovdiv, Razgrad, Rousse, Shumen, Silistra, Sliven, Smolyan, Sofia City, Sofia Province, Stara Zagora, Targovishte, Varna, Veliko Tarnovo, Vidin, Vratsa, Yambol

Regional categories based on ordering on the guide bulgaria site:

Himalayan 21:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea, do any of the provinces need disambiguating and which ones go where. Waacstats (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
ISTR there's somewhere else called Montana somewhere :) Of the others, I think Varna may need dabbing... not sure about the others, but a search using Special:PrefixIndex should find any. BG is the dabbing code, BTW, so we'd be looking at {{MontanaBG-geo-stub}} and similar. Grutness...wha? 00:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
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RC-US-parish-stub

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This is my proposal for Roman Catholic parish stub. 

{{asbox
|image     = BasilicaExterior.jpg
|pix       = 40x25
|subject   = 
|qualifier = on a [[:Category:Roman Catholic parishes in the United States]]
|category  = Roman Catholic Church stubs
|tempsort  =  
|name      = Template:RC-US-parish-stub
}}

--WlaKom (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Swap to {{US-RC-parish-stub}} and change the qualifier to something like Roman Catholic parish in the United States and i think we are there. Waacstats (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Do you mean like this?
{{asbox
|image     = BasilicaExterior.jpg
|pix       = 40x25
|subject   =
|qualifier = on a [[Roman Catholicism in the United States|Roman Catholic parish in the United States]]
|category  = Roman Catholic parishes in the United States
|tempsort  = 
|name      = Template:US-RC-parish-stub
}}

But I don't know how to do it. Every time I try, I make article:-((

On the other hand, all parishes will be in one category, and I would like to be separated by state. --WlaKom (talk) 19:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Normally we wait 5 days before creating, if you need halp creating after that then let me know on my talk page and I'll see what I can do (I am on holiday so may not have connection but will get round to it sometime soon. Waacstats (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I've tweaked the qualifier above. I support this basic template, but NOT a by-state split. At the moment there are fewer than 200 articles in total in Category:Roman Catholic parishes in the United States and its subcats - a separate cstub ategory for US RC parishes is probably viable, but we're nowhere near close to a by-state split. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Create Bolivian department templates and possible split

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Judging by how many articles we have currently and those articles being created this is best done now.. We have 500 and something Bolivian geogrpahy stubs at present so category split is not desperate yet, but pre ordering by department and region maybe would seem sensible. Himalayan 21:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Support templates, assuming no mistakes besides the two spaces I deleted before -geo-stub, categories if they go over 60 and given there are only 9 so some of these will, categories of the form Category:Beni Department geography stubs to follow article and category. Waacstats (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking... Himalayan 21:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks forcorrecting my mistake Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I suggest a few more (Beni, Potosi, etc.), perhaps all of them, should also include the country (BL) identifier such as SantaCruzBL-geo-stub does. Doublechecking for "Beni", "Potosi", etc. I find that multiple other countries have localities with the same name. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Unless these are all in Saint-Barthélemy, I'd suggest changing those codings from BL to BO, which is the ISO code for Bolivia! We've already got a load of Virginia stubs listed as being in the Virgin islands, let's not confuse things further with these :) Grutness...wha? 23:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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{{RC-Pol-parish-stub}}

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I would like to create a new "stub" for the Roman Catholic parishes founded by Polish immigrants in the U.S. since 1880. Something like this: 

{{asbox
|image     = Moczygemba.jpg
|pix       = 40x25
|subject   = 
|qualifier = on a [[:Category:Polish-American Roman Catholic parishes in the United States|Roman Catholic parishes]] founded by Polish immigrants 
|category  = Roman Catholic Church stubs
|tempsort  =  
|name      = Template:RC-Pol-parish-stub
}}

I started from the parishes included in the table Polish-American Roman Catholic parishes in New England Could you help me?--WlaKom (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Seems like a very odd way to split stubs, to be honest (and certainly the proposed name looks very non-standard). Not quite sure how we'd proceed with this one, since parishes are split primarily by country. Considering the number of stubs there are for US RC parishes in general, perhaps a US-RC-parish-stub would suffice? Grutness...wha? 00:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Of course, the "US RC parishes" stub is also needed, but I am thinking about, very specific, base on ethnicity stub. There are about 500 parishes in US founded by Polish immigrants and I would like to invite people who have knowledge about Polish immigrants to help expend articles. The name could be change, it is just proposal. I don't have any experience to create stub.--WlaKom (talk) 07:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Not sure this is the right way to go, I agree with grutness that the normal split would be by country and then in terms of the US by state, we don't even have a {{RC-parish-stub}}. Also a question is someone with an interest in a polish immigrant church in NY more likely to know about other polish immigrant churches across the US or other RC churches in NY? Waacstats (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree to make also {{RC-parish-stub}} for all parishes in US.--WlaKom (talk) 07:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree a {{RC-parish-stub}} would be a good idea for all RC parishes and probably a {{US-RC-parish-stub}} for all parishes in the US. Waacstats (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Close I would like to close this project about separate stub for Polish parishes is USA, because it doesn't make sense to create extra stub. It is much easier to categorize manually.--WlaKom (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Creation of Category:Palestinian organization stubs Palestine-org-stub

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Parent category would be Category:Palestinian organizations. See Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, Palestinian Hydrology Group as typical stubs that would fit. Many other countries have -org-stub categories. -- Eastmain (talk) 07:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Support template {{Palestine-org-stub}}, category if we have 60 articles relating to organizations in Palestine as opposed to orgs in foreign countries supporting Palestine and some how make clear in the template that this is the case. Waacstats (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Colombia geography stubs

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Becoming oversized nearing 800. Split by department? Himalayan 15:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

A start seems to have already been made on this one with templates by department and categories by region - there are six regions). I'd support continuing with that scheme (assuming the regions are official, which they seem to be), with subcats for any department with over 60 stubs. Grutness...wha? 22:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought this was already in the pipeline so speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Garden stubs

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This new category is currently at 858 articles and growing as I'm only midway through stub tagging US garden articles.

Support. Anything we missed Grutness? Himalayan 15:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Support converting (moving?) Australia-botanical-garden-stub to Australia-garden-stub, and the creation of UK-garden-stub. Both upmerges 'til they're >60. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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Category:Batna Province geography stubs

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63 stubs. Batna geography stubs or Batna Province geography stubs? Himalayan 15:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Article and Category are at Batna Province and Category:Batna Province so go with Category:Batna Province geography stubs. Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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Hamburg stub sorting

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Sorting Germany by state, here especially Hamburg and trying to improve the coverage of Hamburg (although I'm trying to bring articles at least to start class—maybe later introducing a Hamburg task force), I propose the creation of a parent stub : {{Hamburg-stub}} (This Hamburg-related article is a stub.) as a parent to {{Hamburg-geo-stub}} {{Hamburg-U-Bahn-stub}}, child to {{Germany-stub}}, sorting into the Category:Hamburg stubs (parent: Category:Germany stubs, Category:Hamburg)

And the creation of

Thanks. Sebastian scha. (talk) 09:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Dam stubs

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Strong support. I've created a good number myself.--TM 15:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Changing from Support to Comment/Question at the moment as was wondering if there were enough African geo stub articles to create stub templates by some of the African countries? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Possibly. Dams arre a bit confusing because they can be marked as either struct-stubs or geo-stubs, depending on whether the articles are primarily about the dams or the lakes that are formed by them. It's quite likely there'd be enough for country templates, though I doubt any would have enough for a separate category. Grutness...wha? 00:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
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