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Combined map for Marsupial Mole

Resolved

 – 00:58, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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  Southern marsupial mole range map
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  Northern marsupial mole range map
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  Combined

Article(s)

Northern marsupial mole

Southern marsupial mole

Marsupial mole

Request

The article marsupial mole needs a map illustrating the ranges of both species. Commons has no such map. -- Chrisrus (talk) 04:32, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)

 Request taken.: immediately. @Chrisrus:, should the map just be two solid green areas or should the difference be shown (e.g. different colours for each species or maybe the same colour but labelled?

Marsupial mole is mapless now, so even a simple map with just one solid blob showing the combined range of both would improve the article. But now that you ask, I suppose if it were one color for one range and another for the other, that'd be even better.

I don't know why they are shades of green instead of some other color. Shades of Buff (color)-like colors would be more appropriate because I saw a lot of that when I Google pictures of them. Chrisrus (talk) 06:20, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

@Chrisrus:, here is a first draft: File:Marsupial mole distribution map.svg. Please share your thoughts. A dashed line is appearing around the border, but not when I view full size. Would like to know if it's just my browser or something. Jolly Ω Janner 07:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jolly Janner:, awesome. I edited the description [1] with an eye toward a caption if it needs a caption when it's accommodated into the article with the color legend. Feel free to undo or edit.

Would you like to fit it into place? It should look like the other two.

What's your opinion of this projection?

Can each colored blob contain the legend text? That'd make the legend less necessary, unless the font is too small. Chrisrus (talk) 04:15, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@Chrisrus:, I have added it to the article's infobox. The Robinson projection is not ideal for a map of Australia (it's mainly used for world maps). The maps I traced it from used this projection and I think that converting it to orthographic might be beyond my current skill level. I can add the text to the map. Should I use Latin or English names or both? I intend to setup the file, so the text can render in different languages depending on the Wikipedia it is used in.

@Jolly Janner:, awesome. It's already everything I asked for, thanks!

I understand about the projection.

I don't understand orthographic conversion.

We might want back-check against the cited source.

If we don't use English, it'd be better for articles in other languages.

The legend color boxes don't line up perfectly. Chrisrus (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

@Chrisrus: The IUCN map appears to match up to the respective species. They use a different projection (equirectangular I think), but the PNGs on Wikimedia appear to have altered the projection of both Australia and the area of extent equally, so it is accurate. I have used Latin on the map, since I'm not quite up to scratch on the use of automated translation text yet. The legend colour boxes don't line up in the infoboxes, because the overridden the text to be centred. Changing this would require changing the template. I have removed them, since the map is now labelled. Please share your thoughts and mark as resolved once there are no more changes to be requested. Thanks, Jolly Ω Janner 20:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jolly Janner:, that's great, thanks!

How should I mark this as resolved; like this:  Done?

Chrisrus (talk) 00:44, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Gray wolf distribution map.

Resolved

 – William Harris • talk • 08:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Gray wolf distribution

Article(s)

Gray wolf - map in the taxabox.

Request

Refer Talk page: Talk:Gray wolf#Taxabox - map of distribution The map of Africa shows some red shading and this needs to be changed to grey. This is because the subspecies of gray wolf that lives there has this year been reclassified as another species, Canus anthus, based on http://www.iucnredlist.org Two of us have tried to amend the map but are unable to upload it, refer: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wolf_distr.gif Regards, William Harris • talk • 20:06, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)

• The map you posted above and the one currently used in the article doesn't appear to show any species in Africa (all of Africa is grey). What map needs to be changed? Jolly Ω Janner 01:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello Jolly, if you click on the graphic to enlarge it, there is red running along the north coast of Africa; that needs to be made grey. Regards, William Harris • talk • 08:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not seeing it. I only see it on the file revision on and before 06:33, 8 August 2013. Try this link to purge the file and tell me if you still see it? Jolly Ω Janner 08:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jolly, no change. You cannot see the two attempts made by me on the 31 October, and one 5 November by Mario, to amend the file? William Harris • talk • 02:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I can see tiny red dots over north Africa on the revisions 01:42, 31 October 2015 and 01:47, 31 October 2015. The latest revision has it completely grey over north Africa, but I have noticed an increase in the extent of present species over Eurasia. Jolly Ω Janner 02:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jolly, I have reset my web browser (Firefox) and can now see it - everything is correct. Sorry for wasting your time and thanks for your help. Regards, William Harris • talk • 08:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Turtle Park

Resolved

 – Jolly Ω Janner 05:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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  Forest Park, St. Louis, Missouri, indicating Turtle Park just below the Zoo

Article(s)

Turtle Park

Request

Turtle Park is a new article nominated for DYK, which I have verified. The lead illustration is the above .svg map, which labels "Turtle Park" just below the Zoo but in lettering much too small to be legible in thumbnail. Could someone create a new (alternate) .svg which enlarges and/or highlights the lettering of 'Turtle Park", perhaps by adding a big arrow pointing to it, so that its location is obvious to anyone looking at the Forest Park thumbnail in the article's infobox? Much appreciated, thanks -- Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 17:51, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)

 Request taken.: today. I will come up with a first draft and link it. Jolly Ω Janner 18:50, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

• @Vesuvius Dogg:, I think a location map might work better for this scenario. Let me know what you think of User:Jolly Janner/sandbox, where I have used a location map. I just created the map that it uses, so let me know of any changes that can be made to that too. Or if you think the whole location map is a bad idea, I'll add a label to the original map. Thanks, Jolly Ω Janner 00:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jolly Janner: @Tavix: I feel like Tavix should get the last word on this, as the creator of the article. I sort of feel like being able to click for the expansion and read "Turtle Park", even in small letters, has some advantages. While visible as a dot, it isn't labeled if you click through. Can you try adding a dot (or, better yet, turtle!) to the .svg, maybe with an arrow pointing to it from the left, labeling it "Turtle Park"? I think if it's in a contrasting color, like blue, it will stick out. I'm sorry to be on the fence. I do want to want to do right be the article's creator given that it's being considered for DYK, and I probably didn't even have to raise this issue. Here's hoping Tavix weighs in here Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Good spot! I didn't even realise that OSM didn't render Turtle Park at the zoom level I downloaded. I have manually added it by trying to match the OSM's style as close as possible. Jolly Ω Janner 01:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Now that Turtle Park is labeled, I'm fine with the solution. Thanks, Jolly Janner. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

PS I noticed the coordinates were a little bit off, so use 38.63184, -90.29302 in the coordinate template too. Jolly Ω Janner 01:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Climate of Argentina

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  Climate map showing mean temperature ranges in Argentina
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  Translated version

Article(s)

Climate of Argentina

Request

Would it be possible for the legend of this map to be translated into English? You could substitute English for Spanish. "Mas de" means "More than", "Greater than", or "Higher than". "De X a Y" means "From X to Y". Also, if there is any way to add Fahrenheit temperatures, perhaps putting Celsius (C) first and Fahrenheit (F) second (to reflect the order in the article), that would be great. The map itself is fine.-- Corinne (talk) 23:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)

• The map list its source as "own work". Is this original research or was it copied from a reliable source? I wouldn't want to help in spreading misinformation if this map is not accurate. Jolly Ω Janner 00:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment I am unsure about this one. However, this map resembles the mean temperature map from CONICET using this web page. See how the isotherms and the boundaries resemble each other. The map is reliable, which is good after checking it. I am unsure about the terms and conditions that they put on their web page. All I know is that it cannot be used for commercial or private use. If there is someone who can read Spanish very fluently and understand it, can he/she clarify it. Thanks. Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

•  Done please take a look at the image I posted at the top of the section. I have converted the image to not use any text which requires translation. Instead translations are given in the description, which means it can be used on infinite amount of wikis if a translation is added to the file description. Please share your thoughts. Jolly Ω Janner 19:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I've been asked to take a look at this. The new version does eliminate the "language problem" and does add the needed °C and that is good. However, a "language problem" still exists as the average reader will likely find it "foreign" as it is written solely in "math". Many will be put off by it as is. If we really must avoid "words" at least reverse the relationships to (big #) ≥ (small #) to help ease the math (seems most users may find it more understandable that way). Also wikiconvention is to insert a space between the # and the unit. Vsmith (talk) 02:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

After looking at it, it is good that it is translated but a couple of users had issues with this. I would suggest putting >22 (keep it as it is) but for the values such as 4 to 12, make it display as "4-12", "12-16", "16-18" and "20-22" with the Celsius units. It is easier for people to read it that way. Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand what's wrong with using words. This is English Wikipedia, and most of our readers are English speakers, and those that are not fluent in English will probably understand "Greater than..." and "Between X and Y". I do not like the symbols at all. Corinne (talk) 03:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Either my suggestion above or the words that Corinne suggests. Those are the 2 best options and are clear and concise. With words, it should be "between 4°C to 12°C", "between 12°C to 16°C", and so on except for the last one, put "greater than 22°C". A Fahrenheit one can be added in as many readers and users of English Wikipedia come from USA where imperial units are still used. Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have to correct you, Ssbbplayer, but it's got to be either:

• Between X and Y,

or:

• From X to Y. Either one is all right.

We never say, "Between X to Y". That's simply incorrect. Just for your information, it is the same in Spanish: Entre X y (or e) Y, or De X a Y. So, choose one of the two (English) alternatives so that User:Jolly Janner can get started. Corinne (talk) 04:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I would choose Between X and Y. Ssbbplayer (talk) 04:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

•  Done I often to try to avoid English text, because I upload graphics to Wikimedia Commons and they are used across many different language Wikipedias. In the case of Climate of Argentina, there are only a few cross-wiki articles and only two use this map (English and Spanish). As a result, I see nothing wrong with using English text. Please see my changes on the latest revision, where I have also added Fahrenheit conversions. I wasn't sure whether to bold the text, but would appreciate any comments related to the image. Thanks, Jolly Ω Janner 04:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Jolly It looks great! Thank you so much! I just wonder, though, whether "Higher than..." makes more sense for temperature than "Greater than". Vsmith and Ssbbplayer, what do you think? Corinne (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

It looks great! I see no problems in this one at all. Thanks for your hard work. I really appreciate it!. Cheers. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Northwest Syria map

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  Map of northwestern Syria labeled
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  Expanded map of northwestern (not labeled)
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  The result (svg version)

Article(s)

Hananu Revolt

Request

I want a map that shows the main towns, villages and geographic regions that were involved in the Hananu Revolt. The first example map above pretty much sums up what the map should look like, but it needs to be expanded a bit to include the area depicted in the second map above. I also need it to be in English (it is currently in French). Translating will be easy: Syrien → Syria, Tote Stadt → Scale, and every instance of the word "Dschebel" should become "Jabal". Turkiye should become "Alexandretta Sanjak" because this map is based on events that occurred in 1920-21. The nearly two dozen villages (including Reyhanli and Afrin) depicted on the map need to be removed. The towns that should be kept are Aleppo, Idlib and Maarrat al-Nu'man. Towns that need to be added are Jisr al-Shughur[2], Harim[3], al-Haffah[4], Jableh[5], Latakia[6], Hama, Antioch[7] and al-Qusayr[8]. The towns should be denoted in the same way Idlib is denoted (black dot with white border). The following villages should also be added but depicted as solid black dots: Kafr Takharim[9], Armanaz[10], Tell Amar[11], Zanqufa[12], Kurin[13], Hammam[14], Babatorun[15], Narlija[16] and Darkush[17]. In the area immediately around al-Haffah, a mountain range should be labeled as Jabal Sahyun, while in the area immediately around al-Qusayr, a mountain range should be labeled as Jabal al-Qusayr. Also Dschebel Siman should be labeled as Kurd-Dagh. The map will be very useful in helping readers visualize where the revolt took place. I hope to nominate the article for GA soon. -- Al Ameer (talk) 03:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

@Erp: Would it be ok to put a Wikimapia link, which lists the latitude/longitude, next to each town that needs to be included such as what I did above for Hammam and Babatorun? If not, what's the best way to list the locations of these places? --Al Ameer (talk) 21:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

It's not French, it's German and tote Stadt does not mean scale, but dead city. -- Metrophil44 (talk) 18:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Wow, sorry about that mix-up. Forgive my ignorance. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

@Erp: I don't know how much it helps, but I added the wikimapia links for each of these villages. I also added Darkush to the list. --Al Ameer (talk) 04:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

It's coming along and I may have a first draft ready in the next day or so. --Erp (talk) 05:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Erp: Sounds good. Also, it just came to mind, but when labeling the "Alexandretta Sanjak" could it be in italics or in an otherwise different font style than "Syria"? It should be made clear that the sanjak was not a separate entity altogether but rather a district of Syria at the time. --Al Ameer (talk) 06:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Resolved

Graphist opinion(s)

I might be able to do something; however, it would help if there were a table of latitude/longitude for each of the towns/villages you want. I did the map for the Orontes River article so I already have done some work in this area but note (a) I'm still a novice and (b) I'm not personally familiar with the area. --Erp (talk) 05:40, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 Request taken by Erp (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC). I've made up my own little spreadsheet and hopefully haven't got longitude and latitude mixed (incredibly easy to do in this area of the world). --Erp (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to go for more extensive notes and comments on my sandbox page User:Erp/Sandbox Hananu revolt map. I've put a first draft up there and you can go to comment. --Erp (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done: I have produced both an svg version and a png version. There may be some later modifications as the requester works on the article. Erp (talk) 02:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)