Talk:In-system programming

Microchip free publicity

Shouldn't references to Microchip products be avoided? This looks like free publicity.

Merge with In-circuit serial programming

In-circuit serial programming and In-system programming seems both talk of the same topic from a slightly different point of view. IMO the former should be merged in the more generic In-system programming which already has references to other ISP protocols (JTAG).

Or In-system programming should concentrate on the concept of ISP whereas In-circuit serial programming should focus only on the use of SPI to program in-site AVR micro-controllers?

Sylvain Leroux (talk) 13:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And, for what it's worth, it appears all three cited references are now dead (squatted on or empty):

NeatInfo.com
TurboCube.com
Astrohex.com

--Roens (talk) 06:11, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think so. ISP and ICSP may not be the same. I searched the Atmel.com, there are a lot of things about ICP and something about ICSP. I think they are too similar and we often make mistakes.

--JiangXueqian (talk) 14:39, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--[Monnie Holt, P.E.] 12:10 24 February 2014 (EST)

ICSP was trademarked by Micro C Technologies, but it was abandoned as a Trademark in 2002. IMO, ICSP is one particular method/protcol for ISP. However, from what I see in industry, the two terms are interchangeable. I do not think they should be merged due to the technicality I mentioned in my opinion statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.240.193 (talk) 17:10, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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PICkit 3 pin 6

Pin 6 is actually the LVP pin, for low-voltage programming enabled PIC chips. See http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/PICkit_3_User_Guide_51795A.pdf BFeely (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Google search

I couldn't help it, I took out this comment: "They are easily found using a Google search," regarding information provided by chip manufacturers. A Google search brings people here looking for help sorting through the overwhelming information, they don't want to be flippantly directed back to Google. Badmuthahubbard (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

wretched

This article needs to be completely rewritten. Wikipedia:OR problems all over. The lede introduces the topic as a method of programming PIC, AVR, and Propeller devices, but these in fact use three different, incompatible programming methods. ICSP is a specific method for PIC microcontrollers that uses a two-wire protocol. ISP is the corresponding method for AVR microcontrollers, that uses a protocol similar to SPI. Propeller chips do not have any Flash memory; so it would not be accurate to say they can be programmed in the sense of programming a Flash memory. They are able to load programs over an asynchronous serial port with their bootloader, which is really an entirely different subject. The present article is extremely confusing because it confounds these different topics together. The discussion of parallel ports vs. serial ports is also not relevant to the subject of ICSP, and would be better placed in a general article on device programmers. Yet it is totally confounded again: Whether a programmer is connected to its host via a parallel or serial port, or completely standalone, is not related to having a device socket. The presence of an Wikipedia:OR graphic (about RJ-11) doesn't help matters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.119.26 (talk) 08:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Plus RJ-11 is a phone protocol and like the other modular connectors called RJs has no place outside of phones. Kenif (talk) 16:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]