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reply to george caliburn

hi george

im a little out of my depth ivee submitted 6 times and it even though it complies and uses similar pages as a template to ensure compliance it just remains a draft unpublished page

ive read all the wiki help pages but need to speak to someone rather than be led by generalisations from a generic help page

regards RachaelRachael reiko murakami (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rachael. The draft at Draft:Shotokan Karate Union seems to have been declined only once, so I don't know where your 6 submissions were. The reason for the draft being declined was given on the draft page, but you removed that feedback. I have added it back in, as previous feedback doesn't get removed until the draft is accepted and published. The feedback is useful not only to you but also to future reviewers. I notice that your draft has no inline citations, so please read about giving references to published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:51, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

yes david i have read the links you supplied and read everything everyone has mentioned to me and i have indeed resubmitted it again after watching the video i think i have solved the problem by using the cite which are all from outside sources

i dont wish to upset anyone as i feel i am following instructions to the best of my ability

regards rachael — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachael reiko murakami (talk • contribs) 15:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Rachael reiko murakami, don't worry about upsetting anyone here at the Teahouse by asking a lot of questions. The editors here all thrive on that sort of thing, and it's great to see a new editor persisting and a new draft being improved. I have a couple of suggestions for improvements: (1) There are a lot of external links in the body of the article, and this is not allowed in Wikipedia articles; it is considered a form of advertising. You can make a section at the bottom called "External links" and add just a few of the most relevant ones there in a list. (2) You have a lot of references to magazines; this is fine, but each reference should be to a particular article in the magazine that verifies the information in the article. Instead you have a long list of issues and pages all in one reference. Surely all of these wouldn't have the same facts, unless they were copies of an advertisement, which isn't appropriate. Here's an article, Isao Obata, that has some magazine references that you can look at.—Anne Delong (talk) 05:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Reply for Anne Delong

At last another female ! Wow there was a popup notice when i logged in saying that there are so few women editors on wiki. well after my current experience thus far i can believe it. so im really glad to get help from another woman.

anyhow, ive taken your advice and addressed the issue of external links and ive removed them ive just left the wiki links in there.

I really didnt have a clue how to do anything on here and apparently still dont. so it has all been something of a shock and a massive learning curve for me. Ive also addressed your second point and ive reduced them and ive specified the articles too, i must say it has cleaned it up and made it much more readable. many thanks for that and you managed do it without overloading an already overloaded individual with "go to here and read this" type of instruction. i know the articles are designed to be helpful but im suffering with overload right now and its getting all too much for me so i do appreciate your input very much as it was exactly what i needed right now. I feel if someone else helpfully comments and has a different approach point of view or advice from the last person that will set me off in a new direction again and i will explode like that character at the airport in total recall. If the page gets rejected again can i ask you to help me redo it, as im not coping very well with it right now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachael reiko murakami (talk • contribs) 10:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure, Rachael reiko murakami, I will help. Just leave a message on my talk page. I can't do it all for you, though, because I know nothing at all about Karate. By the way, there are more women here than you think; some of them just aren't saying.—Anne Delong (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I believe I made a formatting error on my Wikipedia template.JBLongUSA (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I am new to editing on Wikipedia, and believe I made an error on my reference section of a template of a page I am creating. In the reference section, the hyperlink for "1" in on the line above the reference. Here is the code.

References

References

Did I edit it wrong (not sure if that is how it's supposed to look). Any help would be appreciated. JBLongUSA (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, JBLongUSA, and welcome to the TeaHouse. I am going to guess that the article you are having the trouble with was Draft:Tyler Hadley, and I think that is now fixed up. There were two problems hitting it. The first one has bitten me more times than I care to admit: one of your inline references (the last one) was not closed properly; it was missing the "<" before the "/ref". The effect of this is that Wikipedia's processor treats everything after that as a continuation of the Reference, and it all goes wrong. The second thing is that you don't need to list all the references at the end. Having put them all at the appropriate places in the text, the Ref list gets built automatically when you put the {{Reflist}} template at the end. Take a look at what I did on the article and I hope it makes sense ... if not, feel free to ask back here.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

References

File redirect problem

Hi, Shannon County was renamed Oglala Lakota County however this broke the Template:Infobox U.S. county map because it uses a built up file name "Map of {{{state}}} highlighting {{{county}}}.svg". I tried adding a redirect File:Map of South Dakota highlighting Oglala Lakota County.svg but it does not work? I've seen redirected images before, and I can't work out why this isn't working (just shows as a blue-linked image). Any ideas? Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi KylieTastic. The file is at commons:File:Map of South Dakota highlighting Shannon County.svg so the file redirect also has to be at Commons to work. I got edit conflicted when I tried to create the Commons redirect. User:AxG uploaded a copy of the file instead. That also works. I have deleted the non-working redirect at the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks PrimeHunter and AxG — KylieTastic (talk) 23:19, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I added a recent reference and copy edited the article, KylieTastic. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

First time contributor here, trying to add a article on a famous artists here in marin county, having issues with article being deleted.. help

the page is up here= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Giacona

can someone have a look and let me know whats wrong? I've tried everything to make sure the references were satisfied, but nothing seems to satisfy your bots/admins.. HELP!

Rawheaven (talk) 22:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rawheaven. Your references are presented in a sketchy fashion, and I highly recommend that you follow the procedures described in Referencing for beginners. Please be sure that every assertion in the article is backed up by a statement in a reliable source. You have included an excessive number of red links in the article, including links to obscure artistic genres. I recommend that you trim them back. Familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for artists, and include well-referenced information in the article showing that this artist complies. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Several of your external links do not even mention Giacona, and accordingly should be removed from the article. The article in the Marin Independent Journal includes only a single sentence about Giacona. That is what we call a "passing mention" which is not useful for establishing notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:49, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I cleaned up a couple of the red links, but that does not address the major issue, which Cullen328 points out. The article needs to establish his notability by referring to what reliable, independent sources say about him. Instead of generic lists of "references" and "external links", use inline references to show specifically how each one supports the notability of the subject.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)