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Another question about the 1927 census
Hi everybody.
The census is divided into a content's tree with 4 categories and 39 full or double folded tablets. The census also counts animals, land under plantations, crops like orange etc.
I wonder how to proceed: Can I make the content tree straight away and later provide the content of the different categories to give an idea of the volume of the census. Or is the right thing to do to create the contents tree as I go along? The truth. The whole truth. (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for posting. Which census are you talking about? Canada? UK? And I don't know what you mean by "content tree." If you have asked a similar question about this subject before, could you post a link here? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Never mind. I found it here. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- It looks like you are relying on the census as a source about itself. No, you can't do that. Have WP:Reliable sources written about this census? If so, what are they? Can you name any? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- If, as you wrote elsewhere. "This important and authoritative census appears unknown," well, it is not suitable for Wikipedia because nobody else has written about it. In other words, it is not WP:Notable. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- It looks like you are relying on the census as a source about itself. No, you can't do that. Have WP:Reliable sources written about this census? If so, what are they? Can you name any? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Never mind. I found it here. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi GeorgLouis
I better first apologize for the length of this answer. I can certainly understand your caution about this census since this is one of the most sensitive questions - the demographics of Palestine.
First let me mention the pedigree of the census:
The census was commissioned by the 'Department of Agricultural Colonization' Carried out and tabulated by the 'Palestine Zionist Executive' It had an advisory board of 15 members: Representatives from the 'Agricultural Experiment Station, 'Agricultural Board', 'The Jewish Farmers' Association' etc etc. Compiled by David Gurevich, Fellow Royal Statistical Society. (Author of the book: David Gurevich; Aron Gertz: The Jewish population of Palestine, immigration and demographic structure.)
Of course the census has been mentioned but it's not known in the public forum and that was kind of I meant when I wrote that it was 'Unknown'. I am a bit surprises that it has been quoted from more than I thought. If it's not mentioned in Wikipedia it doesn't exist. It's mentioned in a handful of books but the census itself has (to my knowledge) not been publish.
There was an article in the "Global Jewish News Source" (1928)"
Census of Jewish Agricultural Population in Palestine is Completed
Four thousand six hundred and twenty-eight persons are now living in 41 seltlements in Palestine subventioned by the Keren Hayesod, according to the latest figures given out by the Department of Agrieultural Colonization of the Palestine Zionist Executive. Sixty-five per cent of this population are workers, and the remainder children. (Spelling mistake is from the article)
David Gurevich who was responsible for the census was commissioned by the Palestine Zionist Executive to compile various censuses:
- Jewish agricultural settlement in Palestine: General survey and statistical abstracts. January 1, 1938. by David Gurevich (Author)
- The Jewish population of Palestine: Immigration, demographic structure and natural growth. January 1941 by David Gurevich
- Report and general abstracts of the census of Jewish agriculture: Taken in April 1927 (Statistical bulletin) by David Gurevich (1928)
- Report and general abstracts of the census of labour taken in 1930 by the Departments of Statistics of the Jewish... by David Gurevich (1930)
- http://www.amazon.com/David-Gurevich/e/B00JUQG658/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
Jaffa family Library: The Jewish Population of Palestine, 1944. Pamphlet written by David Gurevich and Aaron Gertz describing the Jewish population of Palestine including the immigration and demographic structure.
Reference 18.
Page 7 & 8
The census was partly written in Hebrew so it would also be found in Israel.
These censuses was published in Palestine & Near East Economic Magazine (This was not a Zionist magazine but a magazine written by Zionists (A tiny but important difference)
I think there is a lot of very important material here to further the understanding of the Jewish settlers in Palestine in the early 20s which should be available to a wider audience. (In the settlement in Plain of Sharon, they counted 28883 old chicken and 34337 young chicken - just to give a idea about the extend of the census.
I hope it has put to rest any doubt about its importance and it deserved to be posted on Wikipedia, otherwise please get back to me.(Scans are of course available for verifications)
. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The truth. The whole truth. (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
How fix infobox error? Infobox--Christian leader
For infobox Christian leader / type = bishop Noticed that 'alma_mater' (in 'Personal details' section) is showing as a wiki-link. There are no [[ ]] around alma_mater, so I don't know where this linkage is coming from? and don't know how to correct?
Example articles: Augustine_Francis_Schinner Joseph_Maria_Koudelka Peter_F._Christensen --- Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 00:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, JoeHebda, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is working properly - the template is set up that way on purpose. It is the same as other templates such as Template:Infobox Jewish leader. If I were to guess, I expect it was probably done that way because the term "alma mater" is not used universally, so an explanation of the term is helpful. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks...I understand, not broken, just different. :-) JoeHebda (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Infobox Picture
How do I insert a picture into the infobox? I tried URLs but it didn't work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Promise Omiponle (talk • contribs) 16:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Promise Omiponle and welcome to The Teahouse. I moved your question to the top of the page for better visibility. You upload the picture to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Which one depends on whether the photo is public domain, or you have copyright (usually, this means you took the photo yourself and are willing to give up all rights to make money from it or control its use), or whether you can get permission from the copyright holder. If you can't do any of those you can't upload to Commons and the photo must meet fair use requirements. The name you use when you upload is inserted in the proper space in the infobox.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Article approve Success Rate?
Hi guys,
I have submitted an article for review, my first, just yesterday. And I think it will take around 3-5 weeks to get it approved/rejected. What is the approval ratio? is there any?
Thanks.
Pm.eintelligence (talk) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Pm.eintelligence, welcome to the Teahouse. I would very tentatively estimate that the approval ratio on first review is about 10% or even less. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Pm.eintelligence: Concurring with Arthur, this does not mean you cannot have a 100% success rate – if you pick topics that are notable and cite to reliable, secondary sources upon a neutral write-up of the topic, free of peacock wording. Unfortunately, the current article reads as promotional to me, and I see little in the way of reliable, secondary sources cited, which in turn means that if I had to give you a success rate on the this specific draft, in its current state, I'd place it at near 0%. You can fix this, if such sources exist. On the other hand, if those sources do not exist, we cannot have an article on this topic because no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Fuhghettaboutit
Thanks for your feedback. Can you please help me by listing a few points from this article which I can fix? I need this to get approved.
Thanks.
Pm.eintelligence (talk) 07:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- There are a couple of obvious problems. Don't say "& much more" in the infobox. The trademark symbol is not allowed in articles. External links do not go in the text; that means this type of link. There are no sources listed for the company history. Don't say "bestowed" when describing an award. It would be great if more general information about the company could be found in newspapers, magazines, etc.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Where can I get Taiwanese Package 2.10?
I was using Taiwanese Package 2.10 for several years using English keyboard to generate Peh-oe-ji (POJ). All of a sudden the software in my computer disappeared. Tried to download the same Taiwanese Package 2.10 from the web site and the page on the web has been removed. Does anyone know where I can get this software again? Really appreciate it if anyone can help.
Robert Wu
Anaheim, California 108.254.214.159 (talk) 05:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Robert. Relax. Have a cup of tea. You may be in the wrong place. We talk about how to use Wikipedia and how to edit it. What is this "Taiwanese Package 2"? Explain a bit more and maybe one of us can point you in the right direction. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Robert. This sounds like a question for the computing reference desk. But the page http://taigi.fhl.net/TP/ seems to have a 'download' link on it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Colin,
I went to the same link which you showed to me and click the link to download the Taiwanese Package 2.10 and it indicated that the web page is not available and it could be removed already. That is the reason I tried to ask anyone can help locating it. This Taiwanese Package 2.10 was developed by Lau Kiat-Gak and I used that to generate Peh-oe-ji (POJ) from the regular laptop keyboard.
Robert108.254.214.159 (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
How to make a wiki page go live?
I have created a page to represent my Team on Wikipedia. The page is ready to go live, but I can't find a way to do so. Please help me out in this regard at the earliest. Thank you!Team.kshatriya vit (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Team.kshatriya vit, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but your article in its present form has no chance whatever of being accepted into Wikipedia, and I expect it will soon be deleted, for several reasons:
- It appears to be a copyright violation. This is not permitted.
- It contains no specific inline references to published reliable sources
- Because it cites no sources, it does not establish that the team is notable (in the special Wikipedia sense): Wikipedia does not have articles on everything that exists, we require that reliable independent sources, such as major newspapers, have written at length about the subject.
- Some of the content appears to be promotional.
- In addition, you have a conflict of interest in writing about your own team, so you are strongly discouraged from doing so, because it is likely that you will find it difficult to write in an appropriately neutral manner. Also, your username does not comply with Wikipedia's rules, as usernames may not suggest that they represent an organisation.
- My advice to you (after creating yourself a new account which does not imply you are editing for an organisation) is to find several solid reliable sources, unconnected with the team, which have written at length about the team (not just listing, directories, or press releases. If you can find them, submit a request at WP:requested articles, with references to the sources, to ask somebody else to write the article. Alternatively, if you still want to try writing the article yourself, I advise you to read your first article carefully, then declare your conflict of interest, and use the article wizard to guide you in creating the article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Making A Portal
I have just been working on a portal called Portal:Scottish Wildlife. I do not know how to add the featured article, the featured picture and all other stuff related to the portal. What codes and templates must I use?Scottishwildcat12 (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think you should create the subpages (e.g. Portal:Scottish Wildlife/Selected article/3) in order to add articles to this portal. You would then add articles to the subpages using templates like Portal:Scottish Wildlife/Selected article. Jinkinson talk to me 22:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Album artwork of band on public Facebook, what do I need to upload?
Hey all,
Would love to upload album artwork for a band, but the understandably strict upload guidelines have me confused. If they have their album selling, images of it on Facebook and on merch/label sites, is that decidedly for public domain use? Or do I need to get a written statement from the band/label allowing me to use their artwork on Wikipedia?
Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 21:19, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, ProperCthulhu, welcome to the Teahouse. No, having artwork publicly available most certainly does not make it public domain or free to use without permission. Keep in mind, though, that the English Wikipedia allows images like album art to be used under "fair use," provided that they meet the requirements.
- If you think they would be willing to grant permission, however, there is a process they can follow: They can send an e-mail to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org with a standard e-mail form available here. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- ProperCthulhu Also, there are some special cases where if the article you are editing is about the album you may be able to use copyrighted art work without a release. It's still complicated, you have to answer a bunch of questions but if you want to try that, here is a place to start: Wikipedia:Upload/Non-free_album_cover --MadScientistX11 (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- MadScientistX11 Hey, I used your link to do it, let me know if this looks applicable and worthy of the non-free use on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Affiance_Blackout_Cover.jpg, as they have another album needing a cover. Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 22:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- ProperCthulhu I thought that link might be useful but my knowledge of the copyright policies is very limited. I just remembered using that upload page once to load art work for an album I was editing but that is the only time I've ever used an image not in the Commons so I don't feel qualified to comment on if your picture is applicable. (Cool artwork though) Hopefully a more experienced editor can take a quick look and let you know but if you can follow the questions on that form, answer them truthfully and get to a point where it says "Ok you can use it" you should be OK. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- @ProperCthulhu: @MadScientistX11: Looks good to me! I've marked the image as having appropriate rationale. Nice work. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- @SuperHamster: Thanks! I've also added Affiance_No_Secrets_Revealed.jpg for their first album, using the same system, hope it's all good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 23:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- @ProperCthulhu: Just checked it out - you forgot the licensing information, but I've gone ahead and added it :) I also forgot to check for this the first time around, but part of the fair use requirements is that we use low-resolution versions of fair use files. Ideally we try to keep fair use images at no larger than 100,000 pixels2. For album cover art, the ideal size is no more than 300 x 300 pixels. I've gone ahead and tagged both albums as needing to be reduced in size; a bot will come around in the next day or so and will automatically resize them, so no need to do it manually. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- @SuperHamster: Awesome, thanks so much! What was the licensing info I forgot? And cool, 300x300, I'll remember that in the future, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 00:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- @ProperCthulhu: Just checked it out - you forgot the licensing information, but I've gone ahead and added it :) I also forgot to check for this the first time around, but part of the fair use requirements is that we use low-resolution versions of fair use files. Ideally we try to keep fair use images at no larger than 100,000 pixels2. For album cover art, the ideal size is no more than 300 x 300 pixels. I've gone ahead and tagged both albums as needing to be reduced in size; a bot will come around in the next day or so and will automatically resize them, so no need to do it manually. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- @SuperHamster: Thanks! I've also added Affiance_No_Secrets_Revealed.jpg for their first album, using the same system, hope it's all good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 23:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- @ProperCthulhu: @MadScientistX11: Looks good to me! I've marked the image as having appropriate rationale. Nice work. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- ProperCthulhu I thought that link might be useful but my knowledge of the copyright policies is very limited. I just remembered using that upload page once to load art work for an album I was editing but that is the only time I've ever used an image not in the Commons so I don't feel qualified to comment on if your picture is applicable. (Cool artwork though) Hopefully a more experienced editor can take a quick look and let you know but if you can follow the questions on that form, answer them truthfully and get to a point where it says "Ok you can use it" you should be OK. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- MadScientistX11 Hey, I used your link to do it, let me know if this looks applicable and worthy of the non-free use on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Affiance_Blackout_Cover.jpg, as they have another album needing a cover. Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 22:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- ProperCthulhu Also, there are some special cases where if the article you are editing is about the album you may be able to use copyrighted art work without a release. It's still complicated, you have to answer a bunch of questions but if you want to try that, here is a place to start: Wikipedia:Upload/Non-free_album_cover --MadScientistX11 (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Review process
Hey everyone. I tried to make a page and had it declined. I fixed everything that I was given feedback on by the reviewer, and re-submitted this week. Would really appreciate it if anyone could provide informal feedback in the interim, as these reviews take awhile. I can send you my coding. Thanks so much PeterJohnson22 (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello PeterJohnson22 and welcome to the teahouse. I have read your proposed article. I think it has potential and could be edited so that it would be acceptable to the reviewers. I am unfamiliar with how this article can be accessed and yet not be in user space. A more experienced editor can probably explain this better but I did notice that the references that you provided for this article seem to be from sources affiliated with the company. Do you happen to be affiliated with the company? Also I am not a business person and so I am unfamiliar with most of the terms used in this article. Perhaps explaining some of the terms would make it more readable. Please be encouraged, I think your article can be saved with some work. Bfpage |leave a message 01:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Need help editing article on Done P. Dabale
Habari ( hello) everyone,
I need help editing my first article on Done P. Dabale. Despite linking my piece with references, I still get message at the top of my write up stating that it is an orphan with no citation. PLEASE HELPThinkalways (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Please read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. You have inline links, not references. These need to be removed. Fiddle Faddle 13:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Has Mr. Dabale been mentioned in any WP:Reliable sources, like newspapers, magazines, radio programs or television? He seems to be WP:Notable, so you should be able to find some mention of him somewhere. If you can't, then by Wikipedia standards he cannot have an article. I'm sure you will be able to work this out satisfactorily, though. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- You might find different sources here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Done%20Peter%20Dabale&d=1. GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Has Mr. Dabale been mentioned in any WP:Reliable sources, like newspapers, magazines, radio programs or television? He seems to be WP:Notable, so you should be able to find some mention of him somewhere. If you can't, then by Wikipedia standards he cannot have an article. I'm sure you will be able to work this out satisfactorily, though. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Welcome to the teahouse. It looks like your orphan tag has been removed. I hope that is good news for you. Bfpage |leave a message 01:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
protection for page
Hi,
Im a little confused on how to request protection for a page and what reasons are acceptable. Thanks
Kazmia92 (talk) 07:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- The most important reason for page protection is to prevent vandalism. The vandalism has to be repeated and recent. There is an obvious thought that occurs to me. If one needs to protect a page then one knows, generally, why, and can frame the rationale at WP:RPP. If not then one ought to consider not requesting it. Fiddle Faddle 08:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Can't we also freely use Jayaguru Nyati articles and images on facebook declared as free to the public
I suppose we can freely use Jayaguru Nyati's promotional images and articles expressly available to the public o Facebook Nkoko365 (talk) 06:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi @Nkoko365: An image posted online in a public forum (such as Facebook) is not the same as putting it in the public domain. The owner of the image still holds their copyright to the image, and is assumed to do so until they explicitly place the image into the public domain. For more information on our image use policy, see WP:IUP - and feel free to ask any questions regarding it. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 08:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I want to create new detailed article on Jayaguru Nyati, a rising Zimbabwe politician
Jayaguru Nyati a.k.a. Robert Godfrey Musasiwa is a rising Zimbabwe politician & philanthropist. Zimbabweans, DONORS and others ask questions about him to help their decision-making. He was first mentioned on Wikipedia concerning Zimbabwe 2000 Elections. I have gathered some small data and references but I am a virgin on Wikipedia and I am finding the cost of entry very high in terms of the know how, please help as I feel being thrown from pillar to post by the guidelines. His party GUNGA already has a logo registered with Wikimedia. I believe an article about him will snowball into large volume in terms of verifiable materials and public interest since he is a bit of a sui generis Nkoko365 (talk) 06:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- I suggest you use the process at WP:AFC and submit your draft for review and feedback, an iterative process. WIth regard to your Facebook question, above, the answer depends with precision on the wording used there to release the material. My answer, sight unseen, is probably not.
- When drafting the article the first time, simply do your best. Look at the layout of similar, more developed articles, and use them as inspiration, but not as a precedent for acceptance. They may be poor.
- The main thing you need is top quality references. Be guided by WP:42, the simplest encapsulation of our requirements for a beginner. Read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. A living person requires citations not just references.
- As you receive feedback from the volunteer reviewers do not be discouraged if it is declined even several times. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. Fiddle Faddle 08:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
How do bots work and Who creates them?
Bots do a great service to Wikipedia by reverting vandalism,managing lists etc.I'm curious about how and who creates them?.And furthermore how do they work non-stop? using servers?--Chamith (talk) 13:04, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Welcome to Teahouse, ChamithN! Well most bots do indeed do a variety of tasks which do benefit this project, especially tasks that requires a large scale such as reverting vandalism or fixing various errors, typos and formatting. Certain community members known as bot operators create a separate bot account using a variety of programming language they develop a software script that is designed to do the specific tasks that the operator is willing to put into. The bot will be subject to approval by the Bot Approval Group in which the bot operator describes the designated tasks and other info regarding the bot. The group will check if the bot meets the bot policies and will approve or decline it it after a trial period to ensure no harm is done. To learn more check out WP:BOTS. ///EuroCarGT 17:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Article about a cancelled tour
Hi, this article Blonde_tour is about a tour that was postponed about 20 days ago and might be cancelled. Even if the tour happens in the future, all the information about the tour in the article (dates etc.) is now incorrect. Would the proper procedure be to put the proposed deletion tag on the article? Whitetabor (talk) 17:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Opinions will vary on the best manner of discussion. The tour, if it was once notable, has not lost notability because notability is not transient. This is despite putative cancellation. INdeed, the cancellation itself may be notable too.
- My view is that the article's talk page is the place to discuss how the shape and content should alter as events change. Fiddle Faddle 19:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
How do I use sources for an article about Illuminati Symbolism?
I have seen that illuminati symbolism isn't really discussed in articles about it at Wikipedia and as the symbolism is found everywhere when you type 'illuminati' in your browser in Google, I think we really need an article about it. I 'm creating an article about it, but I want to know where to tell what my sources are and if it won't get deleted, because practically the only sources are the websites you find which often don't have an academic background, but there are so much websites about it that I don't think that this should be kept undiscussed. I can try to look up if there are researchers which have written about this. Anyway, I have spent some time writing this article and don't want it to be removed.
Bokareis Bokareis (talk) 21:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Bokareis. I'm sorry, but the criterion Wikipedia uses is not whether somebody thinks a subject is important, nor whether hundreds of people have written blogs and do-it-yourself websites on it. It's whether reliable sources have written at length about the subject. "Reliable" doesn't mean academic, necessarily, but it does mean sources which have a reputation for fact checking, such as major newspapers, or books from reliable publishers. If you can find such sources, then the article can remain (and must be drawn mainly from those sources). If you cannot, then I'm afraid it makes no difference how much time you have spent, the article will not be suitable for Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)