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Another question about the 1927 census

Hi everybody.

The census is divided into a content's tree with 4 categories and 39 full or double folded tablets. The census also counts animals, land under plantations, crops like orange etc.

I wonder how to proceed: Can I make the content tree straight away and later provide the content of the different categories to give an idea of the volume of the census. Or is the right thing to do to create the contents tree as I go along? The truth. The whole truth. (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for posting. Which census are you talking about? Canada? UK? And I don't know what you mean by "content tree." If you have asked a similar question about this subject before, could you post a link here? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it here. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

It looks like you are relying on the census as a source about itself. No, you can't do that. Have WP:Reliable sources written about this census? If so, what are they? Can you name any? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

If, as you wrote elsewhere. "This important and authoritative census appears unknown," well, it is not suitable for Wikipedia because nobody else has written about it. In other words, it is not WP:Notable. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi GeorgLouis

I better first apologize for the length of this answer. I can certainly understand your caution about this census since this is one of the most sensitive questions - the demographics of Palestine.

First let me mention the pedigree of the census:

The census was commissioned by the 'Department of Agricultural Colonization' Carried out and tabulated by the 'Palestine Zionist Executive' It had an advisory board of 15 members: Representatives from the 'Agricultural Experiment Station, 'Agricultural Board', 'The Jewish Farmers' Association' etc etc. Compiled by David Gurevich, Fellow Royal Statistical Society. (Author of the book: David Gurevich; Aron Gertz: The Jewish population of Palestine, immigration and demographic structure.)

Of course the census has been mentioned but it's not known in the public forum and that was kind of I meant when I wrote that it was 'Unknown'. I am a bit surprises that it has been quoted from more than I thought. If it's not mentioned in Wikipedia it doesn't exist. It's mentioned in a handful of books but the census itself has (to my knowledge) not been publish.

There was an article in the "Global Jewish News Source" (1928)"

Census of Jewish Agricultural Population in Palestine is Completed

Four thousand six hundred and twenty-eight persons are now living in 41 seltlements in Palestine subventioned by the Keren Hayesod, according to the latest figures given out by the Department of Agrieultural Colonization of the Palestine Zionist Executive. Sixty-five per cent of this population are workers, and the remainder children. (Spelling mistake is from the article)

http://www.jta.org/1927/05/16/archive/census-of-jewish-agricultural-population-in-palestine-is-completed#ixzz3EVjkGrgi

David Gurevich who was responsible for the census was commissioned by the Palestine Zionist Executive to compile various censuses:

• Jewish agricultural settlement in Palestine: General survey and statistical abstracts. January 1, 1938. by David Gurevich (Author)
• The Jewish population of Palestine: Immigration, demographic structure and natural growth. January 1941 by David Gurevich
• Report and general abstracts of the census of Jewish agriculture: Taken in April 1927 (Statistical bulletin) by David Gurevich (1928)
• Report and general abstracts of the census of labour taken in 1930 by the Departments of Statistics of the Jewish... by David Gurevich (1930)
• http://www.amazon.com/David-Gurevich/e/B00JUQG658/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
  

Jaffa family Library: The Jewish Population of Palestine, 1944. Pamphlet written by David Gurevich and Aaron Gertz describing the Jewish population of Palestine including the immigration and demographic structure.

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Reference 18.

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Page 7 & 8

The census was partly written in Hebrew so it would also be found in Israel.

These censuses was published in Palestine & Near East Economic Magazine (This was not a Zionist magazine but a magazine written by Zionists (A tiny but important difference)

I think there is a lot of very important material here to further the understanding of the Jewish settlers in Palestine in the early 20s which should be available to a wider audience. (In the settlement in Plain of Sharon, they counted 28883 old chicken and 34337 young chicken - just to give a idea about the extend of the census.

I hope it has put to rest any doubt about its importance and it deserved to be posted on Wikipedia, otherwise please get back to me.(Scans are of course available for verifications)

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The truth. The whole truth. (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

How fix infobox error? Infobox--Christian leader

For infobox Christian leader / type = bishop Noticed that 'alma_mater' (in 'Personal details' section) is showing as a wiki-link. There are no [[ ]] around alma_mater, so I don't know where this linkage is coming from? and don't know how to correct?

Example articles: Augustine_Francis_Schinner Joseph_Maria_Koudelka Peter_F._Christensen --- Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 00:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, JoeHebda, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is working properly - the template is set up that way on purpose. It is the same as other templates such as Template:Infobox Jewish leader. If I were to guess, I expect it was probably done that way because the term "alma mater" is not used universally, so an explanation of the term is helpful. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks...I understand, not broken, just different. :-) JoeHebda (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Picture

How do I insert a picture into the infobox? I tried URLs but it didn't work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Promise Omiponle (talk • contribs) 16:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Promise Omiponle and welcome to The Teahouse. I moved your question to the top of the page for better visibility. You upload the picture to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Which one depends on whether the photo is public domain, or you have copyright (usually, this means you took the photo yourself and are willing to give up all rights to make money from it or control its use), or whether you can get permission from the copyright holder. If you can't do any of those you can't upload to Commons and the photo must meet fair use requirements. The name you use when you upload is inserted in the proper space in the infobox.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Article approve Success Rate?

Hi guys,

I have submitted an article for review, my first, just yesterday. And I think it will take around 3-5 weeks to get it approved/rejected. What is the approval ratio? is there any?

Thanks.

Pm.eintelligence (talk) 10:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Pm.eintelligence, welcome to the Teahouse. I would very tentatively estimate that the approval ratio on first review is about 10% or even less. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@Pm.eintelligence: Concurring with Arthur, this does not mean you cannot have a 100% success rate – if you pick topics that are notable and cite to reliable, secondary sources upon a neutral write-up of the topic, free of peacock wording. Unfortunately, the current article reads as promotional to me, and I see little in the way of reliable, secondary sources cited, which in turn means that if I had to give you a success rate on the this specific draft, in its current state, I'd place it at near 0%. You can fix this, if such sources exist. On the other hand, if those sources do not exist, we cannot have an article on this topic because no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit

Thanks for your feedback. Can you please help me by listing a few points from this article which I can fix? I need this to get approved.

Thanks.

Pm.eintelligence (talk) 07:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

There are a couple of obvious problems. Don't say "& much more" in the infobox. The trademark symbol is not allowed in articles. External links do not go in the text; that means this type of link. There are no sources listed for the company history. Don't say "bestowed" when describing an award. It would be great if more general information about the company could be found in newspapers, magazines, etc.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Where can I get Taiwanese Package 2.10?

I was using Taiwanese Package 2.10 for several years using English keyboard to generate Peh-oe-ji (POJ). All of a sudden the software in my computer disappeared. Tried to download the same Taiwanese Package 2.10 from the web site and the page on the web has been removed. Does anyone know where I can get this software again? Really appreciate it if anyone can help.

Robert Wu

Anaheim, California 108.254.214.159 (talk) 05:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Robert. Relax. Have a cup of tea. You may be in the wrong place. We talk about how to use Wikipedia and how to edit it. What is this "Taiwanese Package 2"? Explain a bit more and maybe one of us can point you in the right direction. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Robert. This sounds like a question for the computing reference desk. But the page http://taigi.fhl.net/TP/ seems to have a 'download' link on it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Colin,

I went to the same link which you showed to me and click the link to download the Taiwanese Package 2.10 and it indicated that the web page is not available and it could be removed already. That is the reason I tried to ask anyone can help locating it. This Taiwanese Package 2.10 was developed by Lau Kiat-Gak and I used that to generate Peh-oe-ji (POJ) from the regular laptop keyboard.

Robert108.254.214.159 (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

How to make a wiki page go live?

I have created a page to represent my Team on Wikipedia. The page is ready to go live, but I can't find a way to do so. Please help me out in this regard at the earliest. Thank you!Team.kshatriya vit (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Team.kshatriya vit, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but your article in its present form has no chance whatever of being accepted into Wikipedia, and I expect it will soon be deleted, for several reasons:

1. It appears to be a copyright violation. This is not permitted.
2. It contains no specific inline references to published reliable sources
3. Because it cites no sources, it does not establish that the team is notable (in the special Wikipedia sense): Wikipedia does not have articles on everything that exists, we require that reliable independent sources, such as major newspapers, have written at length about the subject.
4. Some of the content appears to be promotional.

In addition, you have a conflict of interest in writing about your own team, so you are strongly discouraged from doing so, because it is likely that you will find it difficult to write in an appropriately neutral manner. Also, your username does not comply with Wikipedia's rules, as usernames may not suggest that they represent an organisation.

My advice to you (after creating yourself a new account which does not imply you are editing for an organisation) is to find several solid reliable sources, unconnected with the team, which have written at length about the team (not just listing, directories, or press releases. If you can find them, submit a request at WP:requested articles, with references to the sources, to ask somebody else to write the article. Alternatively, if you still want to try writing the article yourself, I advise you to read your first article carefully, then declare your conflict of interest, and use the article wizard to guide you in creating the article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Making A Portal

I have just been working on a portal called Portal:Scottish Wildlife. I do not know how to add the featured article, the featured picture and all other stuff related to the portal. What codes and templates must I use?Scottishwildcat12 (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I think you should create the subpages (e.g. Portal:Scottish Wildlife/Selected article/3) in order to add articles to this portal. You would then add articles to the subpages using templates like Portal:Scottish Wildlife/Selected article. Jinkinson talk to me 22:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Album artwork of band on public Facebook, what do I need to upload?

Hey all,

Would love to upload album artwork for a band, but the understandably strict upload guidelines have me confused. If they have their album selling, images of it on Facebook and on merch/label sites, is that decidedly for public domain use? Or do I need to get a written statement from the band/label allowing me to use their artwork on Wikipedia?

Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 21:19, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, ProperCthulhu, welcome to the Teahouse. No, having artwork publicly available most certainly does not make it public domain or free to use without permission. Keep in mind, though, that the English Wikipedia allows images like album art to be used under "fair use," provided that they meet the requirements.

If you think they would be willing to grant permission, however, there is a process they can follow: They can send an e-mail to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org with a standard e-mail form available here. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 21:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

ProperCthulhu Also, there are some special cases where if the article you are editing is about the album you may be able to use copyrighted art work without a release. It's still complicated, you have to answer a bunch of questions but if you want to try that, here is a place to start: Wikipedia:Upload/Non-free_album_cover --MadScientistX11 (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

MadScientistX11 Hey, I used your link to do it, let me know if this looks applicable and worthy of the non-free use on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Affiance_Blackout_Cover.jpg, as they have another album needing a cover. Thanks! ProperCthulhu (talk) 22:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

ProperCthulhu I thought that link might be useful but my knowledge of the copyright policies is very limited. I just remembered using that upload page once to load art work for an album I was editing but that is the only time I've ever used an image not in the Commons so I don't feel qualified to comment on if your picture is applicable. (Cool artwork though) Hopefully a more experienced editor can take a quick look and let you know but if you can follow the questions on that form, answer them truthfully and get to a point where it says "Ok you can use it" you should be OK. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@ProperCthulhu: @MadScientistX11: Looks good to me! I've marked the image as having appropriate rationale. Nice work. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@SuperHamster: Thanks! I've also added Affiance_No_Secrets_Revealed.jpg for their first album, using the same system, hope it's all good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 23:57, 27 September 2014‎ (UTC)

@ProperCthulhu: Just checked it out - you forgot the licensing information, but I've gone ahead and added it :) I also forgot to check for this the first time around, but part of the fair use requirements is that we use low-resolution versions of fair use files. Ideally we try to keep fair use images at no larger than 100,000 pixels². For album cover art, the ideal size is no more than 300 x 300 pixels. I've gone ahead and tagged both albums as needing to be reduced in size; a bot will come around in the next day or so and will automatically resize them, so no need to do it manually. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@SuperHamster: Awesome, thanks so much! What was the licensing info I forgot? And cool, 300x300, I'll remember that in the future, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProperCthulhu (talk • contribs) 00:27, 28 September 2014‎ (UTC)

It was the non-free album cover license template - see my edit. And remember to sign your replies :) ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Review process

Hey everyone. I tried to make a page and had it declined. I fixed everything that I was given feedback on by the reviewer, and re-submitted this week. Would really appreciate it if anyone could provide informal feedback in the interim, as these reviews take awhile. I can send you my coding. Thanks so much PeterJohnson22 (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello PeterJohnson22 and welcome to the teahouse. I have read your proposed article. I think it has potential and could be edited so that it would be acceptable to the reviewers. I am unfamiliar with how this article can be accessed and yet not be in user space. A more experienced editor can probably explain this better but I did notice that the references that you provided for this article seem to be from sources affiliated with the company. Do you happen to be affiliated with the company? Also I am not a business person and so I am unfamiliar with most of the terms used in this article. Perhaps explaining some of the terms would make it more readable. Please be encouraged, I think your article can be saved with some work.  Bfpage |leave a message  01:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Need help editing article on Done P. Dabale

Habari ( hello) everyone,

I need help editing my first article on Done P. Dabale. Despite linking my piece with references, I still get message at the top of my write up stating that it is an orphan with no citation. PLEASE HELPThinkalways (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. You have inline links, not references. These need to be removed. Fiddle Faddle 13:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Has Mr. Dabale been mentioned in any WP:Reliable sources, like newspapers, magazines, radio programs or television? He seems to be WP:Notable, so you should be able to find some mention of him somewhere. If you can't, then by Wikipedia standards he cannot have an article. I'm sure you will be able to work this out satisfactorily, though. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

You might find different sources here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Done%20Peter%20Dabale&d=1. GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse. It looks like your orphan tag has been removed. I hope that is good news for you.  Bfpage |leave a message  01:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)