Talk:Ryukyu Domain

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Explanation of page move

This talk page was renamed and restored. Shikai_shaw created a redirect from the talk page for Ryūkyū Province to a talk page for Ryūkyū Domain. This change was reverted -- see User talk:Shikai shaw#Ryūkyū merge.

There are now two articles and each has its own talk page.

If a merge is proposed, I guess that others will join me in opposing it. --Ansei (talk) 16:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The reasonable invitation for discussion and consensus-building here is married with another redirect here. In this context, the disputed page move is not good.

~~Perhaps a third opinion will help to make this clearer? This small difference of opinion was added to a list of problems here.~~ --Ansei (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The point-of-view appears to be similar to the diff by PoohPooh817 here:

04:06 15 April 2012 ... Undid revision 487225466 by Oda Mari (talk) Explanations in this article and cited documents seems to refer to ryukyu han (not kuni)

The argument appears to be the same as the note which was added by PoohPooh817 here.

09:29 15 April 2012 ... <:ref>Sometimes translated as Ryūkyū Province although "province" is usually a translation of 'kuni' in current usage.</ref>

Also, this may be helpful:

Ryūkyū Kingdom (琉球王国, Ryūkyū Ōkoku); compare 国 = ja:琉球王国
Ryūkyū Province (琉球国, Ryūkyū-no kuni); compare 国 = ja:琉球国 (令制)
Ryūkyū Domain (琉球藩, Ryūkyū han); compare 藩 = ja:琉球藩

At this point, are the edit histories lost or conflated? Does it matter? --Ansei (talk) 20:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further research reveals that Ryūkyū Province is explicitly recognized in treaties in 1894 (a) between Japan and the US and (b) between Japan and the UK -- see US Department of State. (1906). A digest of international law as embodied in diplomatic discussions, treaties and other international agreements (John Bassett Moore, ed.), Vol. 5, p. 759. --Ansei (talk) 00:57, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is discussed and archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Ryūkyū province and domain. --Ansei (talk) 22:44, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unjustified blanking

Shinkai Shaw's edit of Ryūkyū Province here was characterized by Bennilsque here as "unjustified blanking." In the context established by the discussion above and the cite-supported changes that were made to this article, I think that is a fair summary. --Ansei (talk) 23:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]